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Contents
  1. Problem 626 (Round 2)
  2. 1) ROUND-2 OBJECTIVE
  3. 2) Round-1 FOUNDATION USED
  4. 3) NEW INSIGHT / TOOL (ROUND 2)
  5. 4) ATTACK PLAN (ROUND 2)
  6. 5) WORK (ROUND 2)
  7. Claim 626.1 (generalized inverse on the exponential scale).
  8. Claim 626.2 (application to $g_k(n)$).
  9. Corollary 626.3 (exact equivalence for the first limit).
  10. Claim 626.4 (generalized inverse on the power scale).
  11. Claim 626.5 (application to $h^{(m)}(n)$).
  12. Corollary 626.6 (exact equivalence for the second limit).
  13. Corollary 626.7 (translation of the currently listed bounds to the inverse scale).
  14. 6) ADVERSARIAL VERIFICATION
  15. 7) FINAL
  16. 8) COMPLETION ESTIMATE
  17. 9) REFERENCES

Problem 626 (Round 2)

1) ROUND-2 OBJECTIVE

Path C: isolate the exact inverse-threshold obstruction left after Round 1.

Round 1 already reduced the problem to the inverse thresholds \[ N_k(M):=\min\{n:\exists\,G,\ |V(G)|=n,\ \chi(G)=k,\ \operatorname{girth}(G)>M\} \] and \[ N^{(m)}(t):=\min\{n:\exists\,G,\ |V(G)|=n,\ \operatorname{girth}(G)>m,\ \chi(G)\ge t\}, \] but only in the one-way form "if the inverse limit exists, then the original limit exists". The natural gap is therefore to prove the exact converse, and more precisely to identify the limsup/liminf of the original quantities in terms of the inverse thresholds.

2) Round-1 FOUNDATION USED

I use the following Round-1 facts without reproving them.

  • The monotonicity of $g_k(n)$ and $h^{(m)}(n)$ in $n$.
  • The inverse identities \[ g_k(n)=\max\{M:N_k(M)\le n\},\qquad h^{(m)}(n)=\max\{t:N^{(m)}(t)\le n\}. \]
  • The Round-1 one-way transfer statements: if $\lim \log N_k(M)/M$ exists then $\lim g_k(n)/\log n$ exists, and similarly for $h^{(m)}$.

3) NEW INSIGHT / TOOL (ROUND 2)

The new tool is an exact generalized-inverse theorem at the two scales relevant here:

  1. exponential scale: $N(M)\approx e^{\lambda M}$ versus $g(n)\approx (\log n)/\lambda$;
  2. power scale: $N(t)\approx t^{\alpha}$ versus $h(n)\approx n^{1/\alpha}$.

This upgrades the Round-1 one-way implication to an exact two-sided equivalence, and pins down the limsup/liminf constants as reciprocal liminf/limsup growth rates of the inverse thresholds.

4) ATTACK PLAN (ROUND 2)

The exact gaps after Round 1 are:

  • for fixed $k\ge 4$, Round 1 did not prove that \[ \lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{g_k(n)}{\log n} \] exists if and only if \[ \lim_{M\to\infty}\frac{\log N_k(M)}{M} \] exists;
  • for fixed $m\ge 3$, Round 1 did not prove the analogous equivalence for \[ \frac{\log h^{(m)}(n)}{\log n} \quad\text{and}\quad \frac{\log N^{(m)}(t)}{\log t}. \]

I close exactly these two gaps by proving reciprocal limsup/liminf formulae. This overcomes the main obstacle identified in Round 1: we no longer need any extra regularity assumption beyond monotonicity.

5) WORK (ROUND 2)

Claim 626.1 (generalized inverse on the exponential scale).
Let $N:\mathbb{N}\to\mathbb{N}$ be nondecreasing and satisfy $N(M)\to\infty$. Define \[ g(n):=\max\{M\in\mathbb{N}:N(M)\le n\}. \] Put \[ \lambda_-:=\liminf_{M\to\infty}\frac{\log N(M)}{M}, \qquad \lambda_+:=\limsup_{M\to\infty}\frac{\log N(M)}{M}. \] Assume $0<\lambda_-\le \lambda_+<\infty$. Then \[ \limsup_{n\to\infty}\frac{g(n)}{\log n}=\frac{1}{\lambda_-}, \qquad \liminf_{n\to\infty}\frac{g(n)}{\log n}=\frac{1}{\lambda_+}. \]

Proof. Fix $n$, and let $M:=g(n)$. By definition of the maximum, \[ N(M)\le n < N(M+1). \] For the $\limsup$, let $\varepsilon>0$. By the definition of $\lambda_-$, for all large $M$, \[ \log N(M)\ge (\lambda_--\varepsilon)M. \] Therefore, for all large $n$, \[ \log n\ge \log N(M)\ge (\lambda_--\varepsilon)M, \] so \[ \frac{g(n)}{\log n}=\frac{M}{\log n}\le \frac{1}{\lambda_--\varepsilon}. \] Hence \[ \limsup_{n\to\infty}\frac{g(n)}{\log n}\le \frac{1}{\lambda_-}. \]

For the reverse inequality, choose a sequence $M_j\to\infty$ such that \[ \frac{\log N(M_j)}{M_j}\to \lambda_-. \] Set $n_j:=N(M_j)$. Then $g(n_j)\ge M_j$, so \[ \frac{g(n_j)}{\log n_j}\ge \frac{M_j}{\log N(M_j)}\to \frac{1}{\lambda_-}. \] Thus \[ \limsup_{n\to\infty}\frac{g(n)}{\log n}\ge \frac{1}{\lambda_-}. \] This proves the first identity.

Now turn to the $\liminf$. Let $\varepsilon>0$. By the definition of $\lambda_+$, for all large $M$, \[ \log N(M)\le (\lambda_++\varepsilon)M. \] Using $n<N(M+1)$, we get \[ \log n<\log N(M+1)\le (\lambda_++\varepsilon)(M+1). \] Hence \[ \frac{g(n)}{\log n}=\frac{M}{\log n} > \frac{M}{(\lambda_++\varepsilon)(M+1)}. \] Since $M=g(n)\to\infty$ as $n\to\infty$, it follows that \[ \liminf_{n\to\infty}\frac{g(n)}{\log n}\ge \frac{1}{\lambda_++\varepsilon}. \] Letting $\varepsilon\downarrow 0$ gives \[ \liminf_{n\to\infty}\frac{g(n)}{\log n}\ge \frac{1}{\lambda_+}. \]

For the reverse inequality, choose $M_j\to\infty$ with \[ \frac{\log N(M_j)}{M_j}\to \lambda_+. \] Set $n_j:=N(M_j)-1$. Since $N(M_j)\to\infty$, we have $n_j\to\infty$, and because $n_j<N(M_j)$, we get $g(n_j)\le M_j-1$. Therefore \[ \frac{g(n_j)}{\log n_j}\le \frac{M_j-1}{\log(N(M_j)-1)}. \] Now $\log(N(M_j)-1)\sim \log N(M_j)$, so \[ \frac{M_j-1}{\log(N(M_j)-1)}\to \frac{1}{\lambda_+}. \] Hence \[ \liminf_{n\to\infty}\frac{g(n)}{\log n}\le \frac{1}{\lambda_+}. \] This proves the second identity. $\square$

Claim 626.2 (application to $g_k(n)$).
For fixed $k\ge 4$, define \[ \lambda_k^-:=\liminf_{M\to\infty}\frac{\log N_k(M)}{M}, \qquad \lambda_k^+:=\limsup_{M\to\infty}\frac{\log N_k(M)}{M}. \] Then \[ \limsup_{n\to\infty}\frac{g_k(n)}{\log n}=\frac{1}{\lambda_k^-}, \qquad \liminf_{n\to\infty}\frac{g_k(n)}{\log n}=\frac{1}{\lambda_k^+}. \]

Proof. Round 1 already established the inverse identity \[ g_k(n)=\max\{M:N_k(M)\le n\}. \] Also $N_k(M)\to\infty$: indeed, any graph of girth $>M$ containing a cycle must have at least $M+1$ vertices, and $\chi(G)=k\ge 4$ certainly forces $G$ to contain a cycle. Thus Claim 626.1 applies directly. $\square$

Corollary 626.3 (exact equivalence for the first limit).
For fixed $k\ge 4$, \[ \lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{g_k(n)}{\log n} \quad\text{exists} \quad\Longleftrightarrow\quad \lim_{M\to\infty}\frac{\log N_k(M)}{M} \quad\text{exists}, \] and in that case the two limits are reciprocal.

Proof. The forward and backward implications follow immediately from Claim 626.2, because a real sequence has a limit if and only if its limsup and liminf are equal. $\square$

Claim 626.4 (generalized inverse on the power scale).
Let $N:\mathbb{N}\to\mathbb{N}$ be nondecreasing and $N(t)\to\infty$. Define \[ h(n):=\max\{t\in\mathbb{N}:N(t)\le n\}. \] Put \[ \alpha_-:=\liminf_{t\to\infty}\frac{\log N(t)}{\log t}, \qquad \alpha_+:=\limsup_{t\to\infty}\frac{\log N(t)}{\log t}. \] Assume $0<\alpha_-\le \alpha_+<\infty$. Then \[ \limsup_{n\to\infty}\frac{\log h(n)}{\log n}=\frac{1}{\alpha_-}, \qquad \liminf_{n\to\infty}\frac{\log h(n)}{\log n}=\frac{1}{\alpha_+}. \]

Proof. Fix $n$, and let $t:=h(n)$. By definition, \[ N(t)\le n < N(t+1). \] For the $\limsup$, let $\varepsilon>0$. By the definition of $\alpha_-$, for all large $t$, \[ \log N(t)\ge (\alpha_--\varepsilon)\log t. \] Since $n\ge N(t)$, we get \[ \log n\ge \log N(t)\ge (\alpha_--\varepsilon)\log t, \] so \[ \frac{\log h(n)}{\log n}=\frac{\log t}{\log n}\le \frac{1}{\alpha_--\varepsilon}. \] Thus \[ \limsup_{n\to\infty}\frac{\log h(n)}{\log n}\le \frac{1}{\alpha_-}. \]

For the reverse inequality, choose $t_j\to\infty$ such that \[ \frac{\log N(t_j)}{\log t_j}\to \alpha_-. \] Set $n_j:=N(t_j)$. Then $h(n_j)\ge t_j$, hence \[ \frac{\log h(n_j)}{\log n_j}\ge \frac{\log t_j}{\log N(t_j)}\to \frac{1}{\alpha_-}. \] Therefore \[ \limsup_{n\to\infty}\frac{\log h(n)}{\log n}\ge \frac{1}{\alpha_-}. \] This proves the first identity.

Now let $\varepsilon>0$. By the definition of $\alpha_+$, for all large $t$, \[ \log N(t)\le (\alpha_++\varepsilon)\log t. \] Using $n<N(t+1)$, we obtain \[ \log n<\log N(t+1)\le (\alpha_++\varepsilon)\log(t+1), \] so \[ \frac{\log h(n)}{\log n}=\frac{\log t}{\log n}> \frac{\log t}{(\alpha_++\varepsilon)\log(t+1)}. \] As $t=h(n)\to\infty$, the right-hand side tends to $1/(\alpha_++\varepsilon)$. Hence \[ \liminf_{n\to\infty}\frac{\log h(n)}{\log n}\ge \frac{1}{\alpha_++\varepsilon}. \] Letting $\varepsilon\downarrow 0$ yields \[ \liminf_{n\to\infty}\frac{\log h(n)}{\log n}\ge \frac{1}{\alpha_+}. \]

For the reverse inequality, choose $t_j\to\infty$ with \[ \frac{\log N(t_j)}{\log t_j}\to \alpha_+, \] and set $n_j:=N(t_j)-1$. Then $h(n_j)\le t_j-1$, so \[ \frac{\log h(n_j)}{\log n_j} \le \frac{\log(t_j-1)}{\log(N(t_j)-1)}. \] Since $\log(t_j-1)\sim \log t_j$ and $\log(N(t_j)-1)\sim \log N(t_j)$, the right-hand side tends to $1/\alpha_+$. Therefore \[ \liminf_{n\to\infty}\frac{\log h(n)}{\log n}\le \frac{1}{\alpha_+}. \] This proves the second identity. $\square$

Claim 626.5 (application to $h^{(m)}(n)$).
For fixed $m\ge 3$, define \[ \alpha_m^-:=\liminf_{t\to\infty}\frac{\log N^{(m)}(t)}{\log t}, \qquad \alpha_m^+:=\limsup_{t\to\infty}\frac{\log N^{(m)}(t)}{\log t}. \] Then \[ \limsup_{n\to\infty}\frac{\log h^{(m)}(n)}{\log n}=\frac{1}{\alpha_m^-}, \qquad \liminf_{n\to\infty}\frac{\log h^{(m)}(n)}{\log n}=\frac{1}{\alpha_m^+}. \]

Proof. Round 1 already established \[ h^{(m)}(n)=\max\{t:N^{(m)}(t)\le n\}. \] Also $N^{(m)}(t)\to\infty$, since any graph with chromatic number at least $t$ has at least $t$ vertices. So Claim 626.4 applies directly. $\square$

Corollary 626.6 (exact equivalence for the second limit).
For fixed $m\ge 3$, \[ \lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{\log h^{(m)}(n)}{\log n} \quad\text{exists} \quad\Longleftrightarrow\quad \lim_{t\to\infty}\frac{\log N^{(m)}(t)}{\log t} \quad\text{exists}, \] and in that case the two limits are reciprocal.

Proof. Again this is immediate from Claim 626.5. $\square$

Corollary 626.7 (translation of the currently listed bounds to the inverse scale).
Using the current bounds recorded on the problem page, \[ \frac{1}{4\log k}\log n\le g_k(n)\le \frac{2}{\log(k-2)}\log n+1, \] one gets \[ \frac{\log(k-2)}{2} \le \liminf_{M\to\infty}\frac{\log N_k(M)}{M} \le \limsup_{M\to\infty}\frac{\log N_k(M)}{M} \le 4\log k. \]

Proof. Let $a:=1/(4\log k)$ and $b:=2/\log(k-2)$.

From $g_k(n)\ge a\log n$, choose $n=\lceil e^{M/a}\rceil$. Then $g_k(n)\ge M$, hence $N_k(M)\le n$, so \[ \limsup_{M\to\infty}\frac{\log N_k(M)}{M}\le \frac{1}{a}=4\log k. \]

From $g_k(n)\le b\log n+1$, if $n<e^{(M-1)/b}$ then $g_k(n)<M$, so $N_k(M)\ge e^{(M-1)/b}$. Therefore \[ \liminf_{M\to\infty}\frac{\log N_k(M)}{M}\ge \frac{1}{b}=\frac{\log(k-2)}{2}. \] This proves the claim. $\square$

6) ADVERSARIAL VERIFICATION

The new work was checked against the following possible failure modes.

  • Non-strict growth of $N_k(M)$ and $N^{(m)}(t)$. The proofs only use monotonicity, not strict monotonicity. The identities \[ N(g(n))\le n < N(g(n)+1) \] and \[ N(h(n))\le n < N(h(n)+1) \] remain valid for generalized inverses.

  • Use of $N(M)-1$. This requires $N(M)\ge 2$, which holds for all sufficiently large $M$ because $N(M)\to\infty$.

  • Could $g_k(n)$ or $h^{(m)}(n)$ stay bounded? No. If $g_k(n)$ were bounded along an unbounded sequence of $n$, then $N_k(M)$ would be bounded for some arbitrarily large $M$, impossible. The same argument works for $h^{(m)}$.

  • Reciprocal-limsup/lower-limsup interchange. Each direction was proved separately; no hidden continuity assumption was used.

7) FINAL

UNRESOLVED (BUT STRICTLY ADVANCED).

The strict advance over Round 1 is the exact reciprocal limsup/liminf theory: the two Erdős limits in Problem 626 exist if and only if the corresponding inverse-threshold limits exist, and the limsup/liminf constants are exactly reciprocals of the inverse liminf/limsup. Thus the problem is now reduced with no gap to determining the asymptotic growth of $N_k(M)$ and $N^{(m)}(t)$.

8) COMPLETION ESTIMATE

COMPLETION: 40%

9) REFERENCES

  • [Bloom626 ] T. F. Bloom, Erdős Problem #626, accessed 2026-03-08.