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Contents
  1. Erdős Problem #43 (Round 4)
  2. 1) ROUND-4 OBJECTIVE
  3. 2) Round-3 FOUNDATION USED
  4. 3) NEW INSIGHT / TOOL (ROUND-4)
  5. (i) A full infinite-family disproof of the equal-size strengthening.
  6. (ii) A matching upper bound on the equal-size regime.
  7. 4) ATTACK PLAN (ROUND-4)
  8. 5) WORK (ROUND-4)
  9. 5.1 A universal upper bound in the equal-size case
  10. 5.2 The Bose--Chowla parity-splitting construction
  11. 5.3 Consequences for the equal-size question
  12. 6) ADVERSARIAL VERIFICATION
  13. (i) Did I improperly discard Round 3?
  14. (ii) Does modular Sidon really imply uniqueness of nonzero differences?
  15. (iii) Could the parity split fail because of wrap-around modulo $M$?
  16. (iv) Could passing to subsets $E\subseteq S_{\mathrm{even}}$, $O\subseteq S_{\mathrm{odd}}$ break the argument?
  17. (v) Is the upper bound in Proposition Proposition circular?
  18. (vi) What remains open?
  19. 7) FINAL
  20. 8) COMPLETION ESTIMATE (MANDATORY)
  21. 9) REFERENCES

Erdős Problem #43 (Round 4)

1) ROUND-4 OBJECTIVE

Path chosen: (C) --- fatal obstruction / correction.

Round 3 repaired the faulty Tao-type argument but still treated the equal-size strengthening as unresolved. In this round I identify the decisive obstruction: the second statement is false. More precisely, I give a self-contained infinite-family disproof of \[ \binom{|A|}{2}+\binom{|B|}{2}\le (1-c+o(1))\binom{f(N)}{2} \qquad (|A|=|B|) \] for every fixed $c>0$, and I also prove a matching upper bound up to $O(N^{1/4})$ on the common size $|A|=|B|$ by using the corrected Round 3 inequality.

Thus the most promising Round 4 direction is not to keep chasing the false strengthened statement, but to close it rigorously, state the minimal correction, and isolate the first question as the only genuinely open part.

2) Round-3 FOUNDATION USED

I explicitly use the following Round 3 results.

  • Round 3 corrected convolution inequality. If $A,B\subset[N]$ are Sidon and $(A-A)\cap(B-B)=\{0\}$, then for every integer $H\ge 1$, \[ \frac{(|A|^2+|B|^2)H^2}{N+H}\le (|A|+|B|)H+H^2. \]
  • Round 3 diagnosis of the Tao-style argument. The earlier bound with diagonal term $(|A|^2+|B|^2)\mathbf 1_{\{0\}}$ is tautological and does not imply $|A|^2+|B|^2\le N+O(\sqrt N)$.
  • Round 1/3 uniqueness of nonzero differences. If a set is Sidon in an abelian group, then each nonzero directed difference is represented by at most one ordered pair. I use this in the cyclic group $\mathbb Z/M\mathbb Z$.

3) NEW INSIGHT / TOOL (ROUND-4)

There are two genuinely new ingredients in this round.

(i) A full infinite-family disproof of the equal-size strengthening.
Using a Bose--Chowla Sidon set modulo $q^2-1$, split by parity, I construct for infinitely many \[ N=\frac{q^2-1}{2} \] Sidon sets $A,B\subset[N]$ with $|A|=|B|$ and $(A-A)\cap(B-B)=\{0\}$ such that \[ \binom{|A|}{2}+\binom{|B|}{2}=\frac N2-O(N^{3/4})=(1-o(1))\binom{f(N)}{2}. \] This is a rigorous disproof of the second statement.
(ii) A matching upper bound on the equal-size regime.
Define \[ M(N):=\max\left\{m:\exists\text{ Sidon }A,B\subset[N],\ |A|=|B|=m,\ (A-A)\cap(B-B)=\{0\}\right\}. \] I prove \[ M(N)\le \frac1{\sqrt2}\sqrt N+O(N^{1/4}) \] for all $N$, by combining the Round 3 corrected inequality with the trivial bound $\binom{m}{2}\le N-1$ for a Sidon set of size $m$ in $[N]$.

Together, these show that the constant $1/\sqrt2$ is asymptotically sharp for the equal-size problem, so no fixed positive gap below it can hold.

4) ATTACK PLAN (ROUND-4)

Exact gap left after Round 3. Round 3 showed that one previous argument toward the equal-size strengthening was invalid, but it did not settle whether the strengthening itself was true or false.

Claims to prove in Round 4.

  1. For all $N$, if $|A|=|B|=m$ then $m\le \frac1{\sqrt2}\sqrt N+O(N^{1/4})$.
  2. For infinitely many $N$, there exist such pairs with $m\ge \frac1{\sqrt2}\sqrt N-O(N^{1/4})$.
  3. Consequently, \[ \limsup_{N\to\infty}\frac{M(N)}{\sqrt N}=\frac1{\sqrt2}, \] and hence the second question is false as stated.

Why this overcomes the earlier obstacle. Round 3 already isolated the correct analytic inequality; what was missing was an application strong enough to recover the $1/\sqrt2$ barrier, and an explicit construction showing that this barrier is actually attained asymptotically. The upper bound below uses the corrected inequality correctly, and the lower bound comes from a new parity-splitting construction in a modular Sidon set.

5) WORK (ROUND-4)

5.1 A universal upper bound in the equal-size case

Proposition: Let $A,B\subset[N]$ be Sidon sets with $(A-A)\cap(B-B)=\{0\}$ and $|A|=|B|=m$. Then \[ m\le \frac1{\sqrt2}\sqrt N+O(N^{1/4}). \] Equivalently, \[ 2\binom{m}{2}\le \frac N2+O(N^{3/4}). \]
Proof: Apply the Round 3 corrected inequality with $|A|=|B|=m$: \[ \frac{2m^2H^2}{N+H}\le 2mH+H^2 \qquad (H\ge 1,\ H\in\mathbb Z). \] Multiplying by $N+H$ and dividing by $H$ gives \begin{equation}\label{wsref-0-65-71-3a-62-61-73-69-63-2d-75-70-70-65-72} 2m^2\le N+2m+H+\frac{2mN}{H}. \end{equation}

Now $A$ itself is a Sidon set in $[N]$, so its positive differences are all distinct and lie in $\{1,\dots,N-1\}$. Hence \[ \binom{m}{2}\le N-1, \] so $m=O(\sqrt N)$.

Choose \[ H:=\left\lceil\sqrt{2mN}\right\rceil. \] Then $H\le \sqrt{2mN}+1$ and $\dfrac{2mN}{H}\le \sqrt{2mN}$. Substituting into (eq:basic-upper), \[ 2m^2\le N+2m+2\sqrt{2mN}+1. \] Because $m=O(\sqrt N)$, the last two terms are $O(N^{1/2})$ and $O(N^{3/4})$ respectively, so \[ 2m^2\le N+O(N^{3/4}). \] Therefore \[ m^2\le \frac N2+O(N^{3/4}), \] and taking square roots yields \[ m\le \frac1{\sqrt2}\sqrt N+O(N^{1/4}). \] Finally, \[ 2\binom{m}{2}=m(m-1)=m^2-m\le \frac N2+O(N^{3/4}). \] This proves the claim. ∎

5.2 The Bose--Chowla parity-splitting construction

The next ingredient is classical.

Theorem (Bose--Chowla, order $2$ case): For every prime power $q$ there exists a set \[ S\subseteq\{1,2,\dots,q^2-2\} \] of cardinality $q$ which is Sidon modulo $q^2-1$.

Fix an odd prime power $q$, and set \[ M:=q^2-1,\qquad N:=\frac{M}{2}=\frac{q^2-1}{2}. \] Let $S\subseteq\{1,2,\dots,M-1\}$ be a Bose--Chowla Sidon set modulo $M$, with $|S|=q$. Partition $S$ by parity: \[ S_{\mathrm{even}}:=S\cap 2\mathbb Z,\qquad S_{\mathrm{odd}}:=S\cap(2\mathbb Z+1), \] and write \[ a:=|S_{\mathrm{even}}|,\qquad b:=|S_{\mathrm{odd}}|, \] so $a+b=q$.

Lemma: One has \[ a(a-1)+b(b-1)\le N-1, \] and therefore \[ (a-b)^2\le 2q-3. \] In particular, with $m:=\min\{a,b\}$, \[ m\ge \frac{q-\sqrt{2q-3}}{2}. \]
Proof: Work in the cyclic group $\mathbb Z/M\mathbb Z$. By the Round 1 uniqueness-of-differences lemma, applied to the Sidon set $S\subset \mathbb Z/M\mathbb Z$, each nonzero directed difference in $S-S$ is represented by exactly one ordered pair.

Any directed difference of two even residues is an even residue modulo $M$, and the same is true for two odd residues. Therefore the ordered pairs in $S_{\mathrm{even}}\times S_{\mathrm{even}}$ with distinct entries give $a(a-1)$ distinct nonzero even residues modulo $M$; similarly, the ordered pairs in $S_{\mathrm{odd}}\times S_{\mathrm{odd}}$ with distinct entries give $b(b-1)$ distinct nonzero even residues.

These two collections are disjoint: if \[ e_1-e_2\equiv o_1-o_2\pmod M \] with $e_i\in S_{\mathrm{even}}$ and $o_i\in S_{\mathrm{odd}}$, then the common nonzero residue would be represented by two different ordered pairs from $S$, contradicting uniqueness; and residue $0$ cannot occur because we are considering distinct entries.

But the nonzero even residues modulo $M=2N$ are exactly \[ 2,4,\dots,2N-2, \] so there are exactly $N-1$ of them. Hence \[ a(a-1)+b(b-1)\le N-1. \] Now compute using $a+b=q$: \[ a(a-1)+b(b-1)=a^2+b^2-(a+b)=\frac{(a+b)^2+(a-b)^2}{2}-q =\frac{q^2+(a-b)^2}{2}-q. \] Since $N-1=(q^2-3)/2$, comparison gives \[ \frac{q^2+(a-b)^2}{2}-q\le \frac{q^2-3}{2}, \] which simplifies to \[ (a-b)^2\le 2q-3. \] Finally, \[ m=\min\{a,b\}=\frac{q-|a-b|}{2}\ge \frac{q-\sqrt{2q-3}}{2}. \] ∎

Choose subsets \[ E\subseteq S_{\mathrm{even}},\qquad O\subseteq S_{\mathrm{odd}},\qquad |E|=|O|=m. \] Define \[ A_0:=\{e/2:e\in E\}\subseteq\{1,\dots,N-1\}, \qquad B_0:=\{(o-1)/2:o\in O\}\subseteq\{0,\dots,N-1\}, \] and then shift both by $1$: \[ A:=A_0+1,\qquad B:=B_0+1. \] Thus $A,B\subset[N]$ and $|A|=|B|=m$.

Lemma: The sets $A$ and $B$ are Sidon in $\mathbb Z$, and \[ (A-A)\cap(B-B)=\{0\}. \]
Proof: Shifting preserves the Sidon property and preserves difference sets, so it is enough to prove the claim for $A_0$ and $B_0$.

First, $A_0$ is Sidon. Suppose \[ x_1+x_2=x_3+x_4,\qquad x_i\in A_0. \] Write $x_i=e_i/2$ with $e_i\in E\subseteq S$. Then \[ e_1+e_2=e_3+e_4 \] in integers, hence also modulo $M$. Since $S$ is Sidon modulo $M$, we get \[ \{e_1,e_2\}=\{e_3,e_4\}, \] so \[ \{x_1,x_2\}=\{x_3,x_4\}. \] Thus $A_0$ is Sidon. The same argument shows $B_0$ is Sidon.

Next, suppose \[ d\in(A_0-A_0)\cap(B_0-B_0). \] Then for some $e_1,e_2\in E$ and $o_1,o_2\in O$, \[ d=\frac{e_1-e_2}{2}=\frac{o_1-o_2}{2}. \] Hence \[ e_1-e_2=o_1-o_2 \] as integers, and therefore also modulo $M$. If this common residue were nonzero modulo $M$, then the Round 1 uniqueness-of-differences lemma in $\mathbb Z/M\mathbb Z$ would force \[ (e_1,e_2)=(o_1,o_2), \] which is impossible because the $e_i$ are even and the $o_i$ are odd. Therefore the common residue is $0$ modulo $M$. But since the equality already holds in integers and each side lies in $(-(M-1),M-1)$, the only multiple of $M$ it can equal is $0$. Hence $e_1=e_2$ and $o_1=o_2$, so $d=0$. Thus \[ (A_0-A_0)\cap(B_0-B_0)=\{0\}, \] and the same holds after shifting, i.e. \[ (A-A)\cap(B-B)=\{0\}. \] ∎

Theorem: For infinitely many $N$ (namely $N=(q^2-1)/2$ with $q$ an odd prime power) there exist Sidon sets $A,B\subset[N]$ with $|A|=|B|$ and $(A-A)\cap(B-B)=\{0\}$ such that \[ |A|=|B|\ge \frac1{\sqrt2}\sqrt N-O(N^{1/4}) \] and therefore \[ \binom{|A|}{2}+\binom{|B|}{2}=\frac N2-O(N^{3/4}). \]
Proof: By Lemma Lemma and Lemma Lemma, the sets $A,B$ above satisfy $|A|=|B|=m$ with \[ m\ge \frac{q-\sqrt{2q-3}}{2}. \] Since $q^2=2N+1$, this becomes \[ m\ge \frac{\sqrt{2N+1}}{2}-O(q^{1/2}) = \frac1{\sqrt2}\sqrt N-O(N^{1/4}). \] Because $|A|=|B|=m$, \[ \binom{|A|}{2}+\binom{|B|}{2}=2\binom{m}{2}=m(m-1). \] Substituting $m=\frac1{\sqrt2}\sqrt N-O(N^{1/4})$ yields \[ m(m-1)=\frac N2-O(N^{3/4}). \] ∎

5.3 Consequences for the equal-size question

Corollary: With $M(N)$ as above, \[ \limsup_{N\to\infty}\frac{M(N)}{\sqrt N}=\frac1{\sqrt2}. \] Equivalently, \[ \limsup_{N\to\infty}\frac{1}{N} \max_{\substack{A,B\subset[N]\ \text{Sidon},\ |A|=|B|,\ (A-A)\cap(B-B)=\{0\}}} \left(\binom{|A|}{2}+\binom{|B|}{2}\right)=\frac12. \]
Proof: The upper bound on the limsup follows from Proposition Proposition; the matching lower bound on an infinite subsequence follows from Theorem Theorem. ∎

Now recall the standard asymptotic for finite Sidon sets, \[ f(N)=(1+o(1))\sqrt N. \] Hence \[ \binom{f(N)}{2}=\left(\frac12+o(1)\right)N. \] Combining this with Theorem Theorem gives \[ \binom{|A|}{2}+\binom{|B|}{2} =\frac N2-O(N^{3/4}) \ge (1-o(1))\binom{f(N)}{2} \] for infinitely many $N$. Therefore there is no fixed constant $c>0$ such that for all sufficiently large $N$ and all equal-size pairs, \[ \binom{|A|}{2}+\binom{|B|}{2}\le (1-c+o(1))\binom{f(N)}{2}. \] This disproves the second statement.

6) ADVERSARIAL VERIFICATION

(i) Did I improperly discard Round 3?
No. I use Round 3's corrected inequality as the analytic input for Proposition Proposition. The only status correction is that Round 3's global "unresolved" verdict overlooked a now-available infinite-family obstruction to the second statement.
(ii) Does modular Sidon really imply uniqueness of nonzero differences?
Yes: this is exactly the Round 1 uniqueness-of-differences lemma, applied in the abelian group $\mathbb Z/M\mathbb Z$.
(iii) Could the parity split fail because of wrap-around modulo $M$?
No. In Lemma Lemma all counting is done in $\mathbb Z/M\mathbb Z$, where the available nonzero even residues are exactly $N-1$ in number. In Lemma Lemma, whenever a common difference is shown to be $0$ modulo $M$, it is already an integer lying in $(-(M-1),M-1)$, so it must actually be $0$ in $\mathbb Z$.
(iv) Could passing to subsets $E\subseteq S_{\mathrm{even}}$, $O\subseteq S_{\mathrm{odd}}$ break the argument?
No. The Sidon property and the disjoint-differences property are hereditary under passing to subsets, so trimming to equal size is harmless.
(v) Is the upper bound in Proposition Proposition circular?
No. It uses only the Round 3 corrected inequality and the elementary bound $\binom{m}{2}\le N-1$ for a Sidon set in $[N]$.
(vi) What remains open?
The first question, \[ \binom{|A|}{2}+\binom{|B|}{2}\le \binom{f(N)}{2}+O(1), \] remains open. What is fully settled here is the failure of the second, equal-size strengthening.

7) FINAL

Partial SOLUTION --- COUNTEREXAMPLE / DISPROOF.

The second statement of Erdős Problem #43 is false. There is an explicit infinite family $N=(q^2-1)/2$ (with $q$ an odd prime power) for which one can construct Sidon sets $A,B\subset[N]$ with \[ |A|=|B|=\frac1{\sqrt2}\sqrt N-O(N^{1/4}), \qquad (A-A)\cap(B-B)=\{0\}, \] and therefore \[ \binom{|A|}{2}+\binom{|B|}{2}=\frac N2-O(N^{3/4})=(1-o(1))\binom{f(N)}{2}. \] So no inequality of the form \[ \binom{|A|}{2}+\binom{|B|}{2}\le (1-c+o(1))\binom{f(N)}{2} \] can hold for any fixed $c>0$.

The minimal corrected statement is:

In the equal-size case, the sharp asymptotic constant is $1/\sqrt2$, not $1/\sqrt2-c$. Equivalently, \[ \limsup_{N\to\infty}\frac{M(N)}{\sqrt N}=\frac1{\sqrt2}, \] so there is no fixed positive multiplicative gap below $\binom{f(N)}{2}$.

The first question remains open.

8) COMPLETION ESTIMATE (MANDATORY)

COMPLETION: 80%

9) REFERENCES

  • T. F. Bloom, Erdős Problem #43, problem page and discussion thread (checked March 7, 2026).
  • M. B. Nathanson, The Bose-Chowla argument for Sidon sets, Theorem 1 (Bose--Chowla modular Sidon construction).
  • G. Martin and K. O'Bryant, Constructions of Generalized Sidon Sets, for the summary of the Erdős--Turán upper bound and the asymptotic $f(N)=(1+o(1))\sqrt N$.
  • Round 3 write-up supplied in this task, especially the corrected convolution inequality.

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