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Contents
  1. Erdős Problem #217
  2. 1. Formal Restatement
  3. 2. Quick Literature/Context Check
  4. 3. Attack Plan
  5. 4. Work
  6. 5. Verification
  7. 6. FINAL
  8. 7. Completion Estimate

Erdős Problem #217

1. Formal Restatement

Let $n\in\mathbb{N}$ and let $S\subset\mathbb{R}^2$ be a set of $n$ points in general position, meaning:
  1. no three points of $S$ are collinear;
  2. no four points of $S$ are concyclic.
Let \[D(S):=\{d(p,q): p,q\in S,\ p\neq q\}\] be the set of distinct pairwise distances determined by $S$.

Problem #217. For which $n$ does there exist $S\subset\mathbb{R}^2$ in general position with

  1. $|D(S)|=n-1$ (exactly $n-1$ distinct distances), and
  2. there is an ordering $\delta_1,\dots,\delta_{n-1}$ of the elements of $D(S)$ such that the distance $\delta_i$ occurs exactly $i$ times among the $\frac{n(n-1)}{2}$ unordered pairs of points in $S$.
(Note that the total number of pairs is $\frac{n(n-1)}{2}=\sum_{i=1}^{n-1} i$, so these multiplicities exhaust all pairs.)

2. Quick Literature/Context Check

The prompt states:
  • There is an explicit example for $n=4$ ("an isosceles triangle with the point in the centre").
  • For $n=5$ there is a construction due to Pomerance, and Palásti proved existence for all $n\le 8$.
  • Erdős believed nonexistence for all sufficiently large $n$; one route to prove this would be via strong lower bounds on the number of distinct distances determined by $n$ points in general position.
This strongly suggests the classification of all $n$ is open.

3. Attack Plan

Proof approach (construct for many $n$). Try to build crescent configurations inductively:
  • Start from a known small configuration.
  • Add a point so that it introduces exactly one new distance and increments multiplicities in a controlled way.
The challenge is simultaneously preserving general position and achieving the exact multiplicity pattern $1,2,\dots,n-1$.

Disproof approach (show impossible for large $n$). Use lower bounds on the number of distinct distances in general position. If one could prove that any $n$ points in general position determine at least $n$ distinct distances for all sufficiently large $n$, then crescent configurations (which have only $n-1$ distinct distances) would be impossible for large $n$.

4. Work

I can fully verify the claimed example for $n=4$ (and note the trivial $n=3$ case), but I cannot determine existence/nonexistence for all $n$.

Proposition 4.1 ($n=3$ sanity check). For $n=3$, an isosceles triangle with distinct side lengths gives $|D(S)|=2=n-1$ and multiplicities $1$ and $2$.

Proof. Let $S=\{A,B,C\}$ with $AB=AC\neq BC$. Then the distinct distances are $\{AB,BC\}$; the distance $AB$ occurs twice (pairs $\{A,B\},\{A,C\}$) and $BC$ occurs once. General-position constraints are vacuous for $n=3$ beyond "not collinear", which is satisfied by any nondegenerate triangle. $\square$

Proposition 4.2 (Explicit crescent configuration for $n=4$). Let \[B=(-1,0),\qquad C=(1,0),\qquad A=(0,2). \] Let $O$ be the circumcenter of $\triangle ABC$; for these coordinates one computes \[O=\left(0,\frac{3}{4}\right). \] Set $S:=\{A,B,C,O\}$. Then $S$ is in general position and determines $3$ distinct distances whose multiplicities are $1,2,3$.

Proof. Step 1: compute the three distance values and multiplicities. First, \[BC=2. \] Next, \[AB^2=(0+1)^2+(2-0)^2=1+4=5,\quad AC^2=(0-1)^2+(2-0)^2=5, \] so $AB=AC=\sqrt{5}$. Finally, since $O$ is the circumcenter, the three distances $OA,OB,OC$ are equal to the circumradius $R$. Because $A$ and $O$ lie on the $y$-axis, \[R=OA=\left|2-\frac{3}{4}\right|=\frac{5}{4}, \] and one may check similarly that $OB=OC=5/4$. Thus the multiset of distances among the $6$ pairs consists of:

  • $2$ occurring once (pair $\{B,C\}$),
  • $\sqrt{5}$ occurring twice (pairs $\{A,B\},\{A,C\}$),
  • $5/4$ occurring three times (pairs $\{O,A\},\{O,B\},\{O,C\}$).
Hence there are $3=n-1$ distinct distances with multiplicities $1,2,3$.

Step 2: general position. No three of $A,B,C$ are collinear since they form a nondegenerate triangle. The point $O=(0,3/4)$ is not on the line $BC$ (which has equation $y=0$), so $B,C,O$ are not collinear. Also $A$ is not on the line through $B$ and $O$ (slope $3/4$) nor on the line through $C$ and $O$ (slope $-3/4$), so no triple involving $O$ is collinear.

For concyclicity: the points $A,B,C$ determine a unique circle, namely their circumcircle, whose center is $O$ and whose radius is $R=5/4$. Since $d(O,O)=0\neq R$, the point $O$ is not on this circle. Therefore $A,B,C,O$ are not concyclic. $\square$

Sticking point for #217. Beyond small $n$, achieving the exact multiplicity pattern appears to require delicate global control of the distance multiset; no general inductive step is provided here.

5. Verification

  • The $n=4$ configuration was checked explicitly: all pairwise distances computed, multiplicities matched, and the general-position conditions verified.
  • Edge cases: for $n<4$, the "no four concyclic" condition is vacuous; for $n=3$ the required multiplicities $1,2$ are achievable as shown.

6. FINAL

UNRESOLVED.
  1. (i) Strongest fully proved partial result obtained here: An explicit crescent configuration exists for $n=4$ (Proposition 4.2), and the multiplicity condition is trivially achievable for $n=3$ (Proposition 4.1).
  2. (ii) First gap blocking completion: No method is given to either construct crescent configurations for all $n$ (or all $n\le N$) or to prove a lower bound on distinct distances in general position that would rule them out for large $n$.
  3. (iii) Most promising next moves:
    • Develop or use stronger lower bounds for the number of distinct distances determined by $n$ points under the "no three collinear/no four concyclic" constraints, aiming to prove $|D(S)|\ge n$ for large $n$.
    • Search for an inductive "add one point" mechanism that adjusts distance multiplicities in the required way while maintaining general position.
    • Translate the multiplicity constraints into constraints on distance graphs (edge-colored complete graphs) and use extremal graph theory to force forbidden geometric patterns.
  4. (iv) Conjectured final answer and minimal counterexample shape: I conjecture the answer is: such configurations exist only for bounded $n$ (in line with Erdős's belief). A minimal counterexample to this conjecture would be an explicit crescent configuration with $n=9$ in general position (since existence is known up to $n=8$ per the prompt).

7. Completion Estimate

20%. Small examples are verified, but there is no progress toward the main classification "for which $n$" beyond what is already indicated in the prompt.