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Babai's Diameter Conjecture for Finite Simple Groups

Definitions and mathematical statement

A nonabelian finite simple group has no nontrivial proper normal subgroup and is not commutative. For a generating set $X$, its undirected Cayley graph joins $g$ to $gx$ for $x\in X\cup X^{-1}$. Its diameter is the largest, over $g\in G$, of the shortest word length representing $g$ in these steps. The conjecture asks for one absolute $c>0$ such that \[ \operatorname{diam}\operatorname{Cay}(G,X\cup X^{-1})\le(\ln|G|)^c \] for every such $G$ and every generating set. Constants and the exponent may not depend on the group family, rank, or generators. Results requiring a special element in $X$ are subcases rather than the full assertion.

Formulation and concept references: [S1].

Short English statement

Can every element of every nonabelian finite simple group be expressed in any generating set using only a polylogarithmic number of generators and inverses?

Research attempt

Current frontier.

Bounded-rank product theorems yield polylogarithmic diameter with an exponent depending on rank. The source also proves a uniform exponent for specified classical groups when a transvection is already in the generating set, retaining its odd-field and exceptional-field conditions. [S1], Theorem 1.2, Corollary 1.3 and Theorem 1.5. The 2024 work completing the Liebeck--Nikolov--Shalev conjecture gives a short product of conjugates of an arbitrary subset, but does not bound the original-generator word lengths of the conjugating elements. [E1], Abstract. That difference is central to an attempted transfer to this diameter question. Neither result supplies a uniform answer for every generating set of every simple group.

Attack route.

A rank-independent product-growth exponent would immediately control iterated balls, but is false in that naive form. Product decomposition by conjugates is more flexible, yet may conceal long conjugators. A third route first manufactures a useful seed element, such as a transvection, by a short word, and then invokes a known special-element diameter theorem. We test all three issues explicitly. The selected construction below disproves the naive growth lemma, not Babai's bound.

Attempt.

1. The exact cost of growth iteration. Put $A=X\cup X^{-1}\cup\{1\}$. Suppose for a moment that every intermediate generating set $B$ satisfies either $B^3=G$ or $|B^3|\ge|B|^{1+\eta}$, with one $\eta>0$. After $j$ iterations, $|A^{3^j}|\ge|A|^{(1+\eta)^j}$ until coverage occurs. Taking the first $j$ for which the latter exceeds $|G|$ shows \begin{equation}\label{wsref-0-33-30-30-30-30-39-35-32-3a-69-74-65-72-61-74-69-6f-6e} \operatorname{diam}(G,X)\le 3\left(\frac{\log|G|}{\log|A|}\right)^{\log3/\log(1+\eta)}. \end{equation} Thus an exponent $\eta$ tending to zero with rank loses the desired uniformity. This reproduces the quantitative reason for the rank restriction in [S1], Corollary 1.3; it does not improve that corollary.

2. An explicit family rules out uniform tripling growth. For $k\ge4$, take $G=A_{2k+1}$, let $H=A_k$ act on the first $k$ letters, and let $g=(1\ 2\ \cdots\ 2k+1)$. This odd-length cycle is an even permutation. Set \[ A=H\cup\{g,g^{-1}\}. \] It is symmetric, contains the identity and generates $G$. Indeed $H$ contains $(1\ 2\ 3)$, whose conjugates by powers of $g$ give consecutive three-cycles; these generate the alternating group. One can see the last claim inductively: $A_{m-1}$ together with $(m-2\ m-1\ m)$ generates all three-cycles involving $m$, by conjugation, and hence $A_m$; the small initial cases are checked directly.

The intersection $H\cap gHg^{-1}$ is the alternating group on the $k-1$ common letters, so \[ |HgH|=k|H|,\qquad |Hg^{-1}H|=k|H|. \] Words of length three in $A$ contain zero, one, two, or three letters from $\{g,g^{-1}\}$. The one-letter cases lie in these two double cosets. The two-letter cases are among four sets $g^{\pm1}Hg^{\pm1}$ and the at most six left or right cosets obtained from $g^0,g^2,g^{-2}$. The zero-letter case is $H$, and the three-letter case has at most four values. The deliberately generous bound \begin{equation}\label{wsref-0-33-30-30-30-30-39-35-32-3a-73-6d-61-6c-6c-74-72-69-70-6c-69-6e-67} |A^3|\le(2k+12)|H|+4 \end{equation} follows. It is much smaller than $|A_{2k+1}|$ for large $k$. Since $|A|=k!/2+2$, \[ \frac{\log|A^3|}{\log|A|} \le 1+O\left(\frac{\log k}{\log(k!)}\right)=1+O(1/k). \] Therefore there is no absolute positive $\eta$ making the proposed tripling alternative valid for all finite simple groups and all symmetric generating sets. This refutation is entirely compatible with polylogarithmic diameter: a ball may grow slowly at one scale and later grow much faster. It supplies no large-diameter counterexample.

3. Short conjugates exist; short products in them remain an issue. Let $G$ be any nonabelian finite simple group and $a\ne1$. Write $H_j$ for the subgroup generated by $bab^{-1}$ with $b$ a word of length at most $j$ in $A$. If $H_j=H_{j+1}$, conjugating its generators by $A$ shows that $H_j$ is normal in $G$. It contains $a$, so simplicity gives $H_j=G$. Every strict inclusion at least doubles subgroup order. Thus $H_j=G$ for some $j\le\lceil\log_2|G|\rceil$. If $a$ itself has $X$-word length $L$, these conjugates all have length at most $2\lceil\log_2|G|\rceil+L$. This is the elementary normal-closure principle underlying [S1], Lemma 2.1.

However, saying that these short conjugates generate $G$ does not bound the number needed in an expression for each element. Conversely, the product-of-conjugates theorem in [E1] bounds the number of factors but allows conjugators anywhere in $G$. Replacing those conjugators by words of length bounded by the unknown diameter gives an inequality of the form $D\le C(\log|G|)(2D+1)$, not an upper bound on $D$. Combining the two statements in this circular manner does not close the gap. A useful new lemma would have to keep both the number of factors and the conjugator word lengths small simultaneously.

4. A seed-element route and its missing quantitative input. In a special linear group, write rank-one unipotents as $t=I+u\varphi$ and $s=I+v\psi$, where $\varphi(u)=\psi(v)=0$. If also $\psi(u)=0$ and $a=\varphi(v)\ne0$, direct multiplication gives \begin{equation}\label{wsref-0-33-30-30-30-30-39-35-32-3a-63-6f-6d-6d-75-74-61-74-6f-72} [t,s]=tst^{-1}s^{-1}=I+a u\psi. \end{equation} Indeed $U=u\varphi$ and $V=v\psi$ have $U^2=V^2=VU=0$, $UV=a u\psi$, and all higher terms appearing in the multiplication vanish. If $u,\psi\ne0$, the result is again a transvection. The word length of the commutator is at most twice the sum of the two input word lengths. This is a usable propagation formula, but it starts with suitable unipotents and incidence conditions; it does not create the first such element from arbitrary generators.

For any classical-group case covered by [S1], Theorem 1.5, a transvection of word length at most $(\log|G|)^b$, for a universal $b$, would finish that case: append the element to $X$, use the theorem, and replace each appended letter by its original word. The exponents add, and universal multiplicative constants can be absorbed into a larger exponent because $|G|\ge60$. This retains the source's field exceptions and does not address other families automatically. No such short-seed theorem for every generating set is established here. Random-generation results cannot be promoted to that universal input.

Stress test.

The generating set in (30000952:smalltripling) is allowed to be large; the original conjecture quantifies over all generating sets. The construction disproves only a sufficient strengthening, not the target. The bounded-rank theorem does not apply with a uniform constant to alternating groups of increasing degree. The normal-closure chain has a logarithmic number of strict subgroup inclusions, not a logarithmic Cayley diameter. A compressed straight-line description built from commutators may expand to a long ordinary word; the target charges the expanded word length.

The source's unitary field notation, odd-characteristic conditions and exceptional field sizes are not silently discarded in the seed reduction. The unrestricted finite-simple-group assertion therefore still needs more than the transvection calculation.

Outcome.

Outcome: Exploratory approach with unresolved gap.

The attempt constructs a generating family that invalidates the most naive rank-independent tripling route, and gives explicit word-length accounting for conjugation and commutator approaches. It isolates a short-seed sufficient condition in the source's classical-group cases. No priority claim is made for the normal-closure lemma or elementary rank-one matrix identities.

The unresolved step is simultaneous control of growth, useful seed elements and conjugating word lengths across all groups and generating sets. No universal diameter estimate, and no family violating one, has been proved.

Sources

• S1 Martino Garonzi, Zoltán Halasi and Gábor Somlai, On the diameter of Cayley graphs of classical groups with generating sets containing a transvection; arXiv2203.03323v1 March7,2022. https://arxiv.org/pdf/2203.03323v1. Catalogue formulation source.
• E1 N. Lifshitz, Completing the proof of the Liebeck--Nikolov--Shalev conjecture, arXiv:2408.10127v2, 26 September 2024, Abstract and the product-of-conjugates theorem in the Introduction. https://arxiv.org/abs/2408.10127v2. Consulted 27 September 2026. The stated short product allows unrestricted conjugators; a word-length bound for them is not inferred here.