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Math-222

Sharp Erdos Distinct-Distances Conjecture in the Plane

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For a finite set $P\subset{\mathbb{R}}^2$ of distinct points, put $D(P)=|\{|x-y|:x,y\in P,\ x\ne y\}|$, and let $D(n)=\min_{|P|=n}D(P)$. The selected lower bound is \[ \exists c>0\ \exists n_0\ \forall n\ge n_0, \qquad D(n)\ge c\frac{n}{\sqrt{\log n}}. \] Together with the square-lattice comparison specified in the catalogue, this would determine the order up to constants. Distances are counted once regardless of multiplicity, and the metric is the usual Euclidean metric, not a generic norm. Improving a bound while leaving an extra power of $\log n$ does not reach this target.

Formulation and concept references: [S1].

Short English statement

Must every n-point set in the Euclidean plane determine at least a constant times n divided by the square root of log n distinct distances?

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Sharp Erdos Distinct-Distances Conjecture in the Plane

Definitions and mathematical statement

For a finite set $P\subset{\mathbb{R}}^2$ of distinct points, put $D(P)=|\{|x-y|:x,y\in P,\ x\ne y\}|$, and let $D(n)=\min_{|P|=n}D(P)$. The selected lower bound is \[ \exists c>0\ \exists n_0\ \forall n\ge n_0, \qquad D(n)\ge c\frac{n}{\sqrt{\log n}}. \] Together with the square-lattice comparison specified in the catalogue, this would determine the order up to constants. Distances are counted once regardless of multiplicity, and the metric is the usual Euclidean metric, not a generic norm. Improving a bound while leaving an extra power of $\log n$ does not reach this target.

Formulation and concept references: [S1].

Short English statement

Must every n-point set in the Euclidean plane determine at least a constant times n divided by the square root of log n distinct distances?

Research attempt

Current frontier.
The Guth--Katz theorem gives $D(P)\gg n/\log n$ for arbitrary Euclidean point sets. The remaining square root of the logarithm is not a change of constants. [E1], Theorem 1.1. The catalogue's formulation reference studies typical norms; its statements about that class do not improve the Euclidean bound simply by specializing the norm. [S1], Introduction. The source search for this attempt did not identify a verified Euclidean theorem attaining the selected bound. The argument below tests an energy improvement and then replaces uniform pair-counting by a fractional allocation problem. All research additions in this batch are dated 27 September 2026.
Attack route.
Three routes are plausible: improve the equal-distance energy, discard its highly concentrated fibers, or assign nonuniform weights to incidences between points and their distances. The first route has a decisive lattice obstruction, proved below. Merely truncating that energy still needs a bound on the discarded mass. The third route has an exact max-flow criterion; it avoids the false energy lemma but exposes a uniform subset estimate that remains as difficult as the original assertion.
Attempt.
1. Why a stronger second-moment bound is the wrong goal. For a positive distance $t$ let \[ r_t=|\{(x,y)\in P^2:x\ne y,\ |x-y|=t\}|, \qquad S=\sum_t r_t=n(n-1),\qquad E(P)=\sum_t r_t^2. \] Cauchy--Schwarz gives $D(P)\ge S^2/E(P)$. Thus a bound $E(P)\ll n^3\sqrt{\log n}$ would suffice, but it is false. Here is a direct proof of the obstruction, independent of any numerical experiment.

Take $P=\{1,\ldots,m\}^2$, $n=m^2$. A displacement $h=(h_1,h_2)$ occurs as an ordered difference in $(m-|h_1|)(m-|h_2|)$ pairs. In particular each displacement of Euclidean norm at most $m/2$ has multiplicity at least $m^2/4$. Identify integer vectors with Gaussian integers. For coprime positive integers $a,b$, put $w=a+ib$ and, for $v\in{\mathbb{Z}}[i]\setminus\{0\}$, form \[ h=\overline w v,\qquad h'=wv. \] These are equal-length integer vectors. Restrict $a,b$ to $[R,2R]$ and $|v|\le m/(8R)$. Then $|h|,|h'|<m/2$. There are at least $cR^2$ coprime pairs in that square for sufficiently large $R$, and at least $c'(m/R)^2$ choices of $v$ when $R\le m/32$. For clarity, the former count follows from \[ \sum_{q\le2R}\mu(q) \left(\lfloor2R/q\rfloor-\lfloor(R-1)/q\rfloor\right)^2 =\frac{R^2}{\zeta(2)}+O(R\log R), \] using absolute convergence of $\sum q^{-2}$ and the elementary divisor expansion for coprimality.

No two coprime positive $w$ with different slopes give the same ordered pair $(h,h')$: the quotient $h'/h=w/\overline w$ determines the slope, and primitivity determines $w$. For fixed $w$, $h$ determines $v$. Use disjoint dyadic ranges for $a,b$, adjusting endpoints to avoid overlap. Each range therefore contributes at least $cm^2$ different equal-length displacement pairs, and there are $\gg\log m$ ranges. Each contributes at least $m^4/16$ ordered point quadruples to $E(P)$. Consequently \begin{equation}\label{wsref-0-33-30-30-30-36-37-39-35-3a-6c-61-74-74-69-63-65} E(P)\ge c m^6\log m\asymp n^3\log n. \end{equation} Thus even a successful proof of the requested distance bound cannot supply the proposed universal second-moment improvement. The quadruples counted here have nonzero displacements; including or excluding the zero distance does not cause the obstruction.

2. Fractional allocation in place of multiplicity. Let $T$ be the positive distance set, and join $p\in P$ to $t\in T$ when some $q\ne p$ satisfies $|p-q|=t$. Ask for nonnegative numbers $w_{p,t}$ on these incidences such that \begin{equation}\label{wsref-0-33-30-30-30-36-37-39-35-3a-61-6c-6c-6f-63-61-74-69-6f-6e} \sum_{t\sim p}w_{p,t}=1\quad(p\in P),\qquad \sum_{p\sim t}w_{p,t}\le B\quad(t\in T). \end{equation} Such an allocation immediately gives $n\le B|T|$. It can suppress large pair multiplicities because a point contributes at most one unit of mass, not one unit for each point at the same distance.

The exact existence criterion is \begin{equation}\label{wsref-0-33-30-30-30-36-37-39-35-3a-68-61-6c-6c} |A|\le B\,|T(A)|\quad\hbox{for every }A\subseteq P, \qquad T(A)=\bigcup_{p\in A}\{t:t\sim p\}. \end{equation} To prove this, put capacities $1$ on source--point edges, $n+1$ on point--distance edges and $B$ on distance--sink edges. A minimum cut of capacity less than $n$ cannot cut a point--distance edge. If the retained point subset is $A$, its optimal cut has capacity $n-|A|+B|T(A)|$. The max-flow/min-cut theorem gives a flow of value $n$ exactly when (30006795:hall) holds. Necessity also follows directly by summing (30006795:allocation). Real capacities cause no integrality issue; only a fractional allocation is requested.

A hoped-for geometric lemma would be (30006795:hall) with $B=C\sqrt{\log(n+2)}$. It is tempting to regard this as much weaker than the target, but that would be misleading. The case $A=P$ gives the target immediately. Conversely the original bound, if true, would imply this Hall estimate up to an absolute constant: for $|A|$ large, \[ |T(A)|\ge D(A)\ge c\frac{|A|}{\sqrt{\log |A|}} \ge c\frac{|A|}{\sqrt{\log(n+2)}}. \] For bounded nonempty $|A|$ and $n\ge2$, $T(A)$ is nonempty, and increasing $C$ handles the remaining cases. Thus allocation is a useful exact reformulation, not a secretly established intermediate theorem.

3. A geometric test and an obstruction to naive truncation. A set with $m$ collinear points has at least $(m-1)/2$ distinct distances: fix one of those points and note that a positive distance on its line has at most two preimages. The same bound holds for $m$ points on a circle, by intersecting that circle with a circle centered at a fixed point of it. Consequently a line or circle carrying $\gg n/\sqrt{\log n}$ points already proves the desired bound for that configuration. A viable structural argument could therefore restrict attention to sets with no such rich line or circle. This restriction is only a solved subcase reduction, not an incidence theorem for the remaining sets.

For a truncation level $L$, let $T_{\le L}=\{t:r_t\le L\}$. Then \[ D(P)\ge \frac{S-\sum_{r_t>L}r_t}{L}. \] To choose $L\asymp n\sqrt{\log n}$ and finish by this inequality one must prove that the heavy fibers carry less than, say, $S/2$. An energy bound $E\ll n^3\log n$ gives only $\sum_{r_t>L}r_t\le E/L\ll n^2\sqrt{\log n}$, which is useless relative to $S\asymp n^2$. This calculation identifies the missing tail estimate; it does not justify it. The companion computation records exact grid multiplicities, energy and distance counts at several sizes solely to test these formulas.

Stress test.
The lattice obstruction uses actual integer coordinates, not a norm perturbation. The allocation criterion quantifies over all point subsets; checking only the full set assumes the target, and checking only small sets cannot certify a flow. The rich-circle argument concerns points of $P$ on the circle, not arbitrary distance circles with no such points. No conclusion for all $n$ is drawn from a finite lattice scan. Finally, the Guth--Katz energy method and the typical-norm result are kept separate: neither supplies the unproved tail or Hall estimate here.
Outcome.
Outcome: Exploratory approach with unresolved gap.

The attempt proves a sharp obstruction to improving the universal second moment, an exact fractional-allocation reformulation, and elementary rich-line/rich-circle subcases. These calculations explain why the obvious logarithm-saving route fails; they are not a claimed improvement of the best general lower bound or a claim of priority. The unresolved task is a genuinely stronger geometric allocation or tail estimate for arbitrary point configurations. No counterexample to the selected distance conjecture has been found.

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