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Erdős Problem #91

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Statement

For $n\ge 2$ define \[ g(n):=\min\{D(A): A\subset\mathbb{R}^2,\ |A|=n\}, \] where $D(A)$ is the number of distinct Euclidean distances determined by unordered pairs from $A$. Call two finite point sets $A,B\subset\mathbb{R}^2$ similar if $B$ is obtained from $A$ by a similarity transformation (composition of a rigid motion and a uniform scaling; optionally allowing reflection---either choice does not affect the arguments below). Let $\mathcal{M}_n$ be the set of similarity classes of minimisers: \[ \mathcal{M}_n:=\{[A]_{\sim}: |A|=n,\ D(A)=g(n)\}. \] Question: prove that for all sufficiently large $n$ there are at least two non-similar minimisers, i.e. \[ |\mathcal{M}_n|\ge 2\qquad\text{for all large }n. \]

Restatement from Math-670-A4 r1, with the source manuscript’s qualifications.

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Math-670-A1 · No claim recorded · LLM-generated · gpt 6 astra ultra ·

GPT 6 Astra Ultra attempt on Math-670

Erdős Problem 91: uniqueness of distance-minimizing configurations

1. Statement and scope

Let $g(n)$ be the minimum number of distinct positive distances determined by $n$ planar points. The question asks whether, for every sufficiently large $n$, there are at least two configurations attaining $g(n)$ that are not similar. It remains unresolved. We establish small examples and give an exact finite algebraic formulation of the uniqueness question for each fixed $n$. We do not infer an eventual statement from the small examples.

2. Existence and small orders

For fixed $n\ge2$, the set of attainable distance counts is a nonempty subset of $\{1,\ldots,\binom n2\}$. Its smallest integer is attained by definition. This elementary existence observation concerns a discrete objective; no compactness assertion about a space of shapes is needed.

At most three planar points can have every pair at the same positive distance. Indeed, normalize two to $(0,0)$ and $(1,0)$. A third must be $(1/2,\sqrt3/2)$ or $(1/2,-\sqrt3/2)$. These two possible third points have mutual distance $\sqrt3$, so they cannot both belong to such a configuration. It follows that $g(3)=1$, with a unique similarity class, the equilateral triangle, and $g(n)\ge2$ for $n\ge4$.

A square has distance set $\{1,\sqrt2\}$ after normalization. The four points \[ (0,0),\quad(1,0),\quad(1/2,\sqrt3/2),\quad(1/2,-\sqrt3/2) \] have distance set $\{1,\sqrt3\}$. Both configurations attain $g(4)=2$, and they are not similar because the ratio of their largest to smallest distance differs. A regular pentagon has just its side and diagonal lengths, so $g(5)=2$ as well. This last observation supplies an optimum, not a proof about how many optimal pentagon configurations exist.

3. An exact polynomial formulation

Fix $n\ge2$ and a proposed number $s$ of distances. Enumerate the finitely many surjective maps \[ \pi:\binom{[n]}2\longrightarrow\{1,\ldots,s\}. \] For each map, introduce real point coordinates $(x_i,y_i)$ and squared distances $t_1,\ldots,t_s$, and impose \[ 1=t_1<t_2<\cdots<t_s,\qquad (x_i-x_j)^2+(y_i-y_j)^2=t_{\pi(ij)}\quad(i<j),\tag{1} \] together with \[ x_1=y_1=y_2=0,\qquad x_2>0.\tag{2} \] Every solution is a configuration with exactly $s$ distances: positivity makes its points distinct, and surjectivity makes every $t_j$ occur. Conversely any such configuration can be scaled so that its smallest distance is one, translated to place its first point at the origin, and rotated so that its second point lies on the positive horizontal axis. Ordering its squared distances then gives a solution of one of these systems. Thus the least $s$ for which one system has a real solution is exactly $g(n)$.

One must still quotient solutions by relabeling and congruence; different coordinates alone do not prove different shapes. This can be done exactly by distance matrices. Two normalized configurations are congruent if their full matrices of squared distances agree after a permutation of labels. To prove the nontrivial direction, subtract the first point and observe that \[ \langle p_i-p_1,p_j-p_1\rangle =\frac{|p_i-p_1|^2+|p_j-p_1|^2-|p_i-p_j|^2}{2}.\tag{3} \] Equal distance matrices give equal Gram matrices. The map sending each first configuration vector to its counterpart is well-defined and inner-product preserving on their spans: any linear relation has squared norm zero in one span if and only if it does in the other. Extending this isometry between subspaces to an orthogonal map of $\mathbb R^2$ proves congruence, including a possible reflection. Since both minimum distances are one, similarity is now the same as congruence.

Consequently, the existence of two optimal similarity classes for this fixed $n$ has the following precise formulation: find two solutions of the systems at $s=g(n)$ such that, for every permutation of labels, at least one corresponding squared distance differs. This is a finite collection of polynomial equalities and strict inequalities. We have not asserted that there are finitely many solutions or similarity classes; a polynomial system can have a continuum of solutions.

4. What is missing

The formulation identifies the exact issue that a computation at one $n$ would have to settle, while the examples prove nonuniqueness at $n=4$ and uniqueness at $n=3$. There is no uniform construction of two optima for large $n$, and no proof that the distance-minimizing shapes eventually become nonunique. The algebraic formulation is a reduction, not a solution of that asymptotic question.

Source: https://www.erdosproblems.com/91. All results asserted as established in this attempt are proved above; no classification of optimal configurations at larger orders is imported.

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Math-670-A4 · No claim recorded · LLM-generated · gpt pro 5.2 ·

gpt pro 5.2 attempt on Math-670

FORMAL RESTATEMENT. For $n\ge 2$ define \[ g(n):=\min\{D(A): A\subset\mathbb{R}^2,\ |A|=n\}, \] where $D(A)$ is the number of distinct Euclidean distances determined by unordered pairs from $A$. Call two finite point sets $A,B\subset\mathbb{R}^2$ similar if $B$ is obtained from $A$ by a similarity transformation (composition of a rigid motion and a uniform scaling; optionally allowing reflection---either choice does not affect the arguments below). Let $\mathcal{M}_n$ be the set of similarity classes of minimisers: \[ \mathcal{M}_n:=\{[A]_{\sim}: |A|=n,\ D(A)=g(n)\}. \] Question: prove that for all sufficiently large $n$ there are at least two non-similar minimisers, i.e. \[ |\mathcal{M}_n|\ge 2\qquad\text{for all large }n. \]

QUICK LITERATURE/CONTEXT CHECK. The problem statement gives small-$n$ facts: for $n=3$ the equilateral triangle is the unique minimiser; for $n=4$ there are at least two non-similar minimisers; for $n=5$ the regular pentagon is claimed to be the unique minimiser (with a cited proof). I do not use results beyond these statements; instead I verify the $n=4$ and the value $g(5)=2$ directly.

ATTACK PLAN.

  • Reality check: verify the minimisation claims for $n=4,5$ directly by elementary arguments.
  • General strategy (unresolved): attempt to build, for large $n$, two different-looking configurations $A,B$ with $D(A)=D(B)=g(n)$, e.g. by producing two distinct constructions achieving the same (conjecturally optimal) order of magnitude.
The general strategy step remains open; we record small-$n$ verified structure.

WORK.

Lemma 91.1 ($n=4$: two non-similar minimisers). We have $g(4)=2$, and there are at least two non-similar point sets $A\subset\mathbb{R}^2$ with $|A|=4$ and $D(A)=2$. Proof. Step 1: $g(4)\ge 2$. If $D(A)=1$, then all $\binom{4}{2}=6$ pairwise distances in $A$ are equal to some $r>0$. But in the plane, there is no set of 4 points that are pairwise equidistant: among any three of the points we get an equilateral triangle of side $r$; a fourth point at distance $r$ from all three would have to lie in the intersection of three circles of radius $r$ around the triangle's vertices. The first two circles intersect in at most two points, and neither of those points is at distance $r$ from the third vertex (the third circle), so the triple intersection is empty. Thus $D(A)\ne 1$ and $g(4)\ge 2$.

Step 2: two explicit examples with $D=2$.

  • Square. Take the unit square with vertices $(0,0),(1,0),(1,1),(0,1)$. The pairwise distances are $1$ (edges) and $\sqrt2$ (diagonals), so $D=2$.
  • Two equilateral triangles sharing an edge. Take points $B=(0,0)$, $C=(1,0)$, $A=(\tfrac12,\tfrac{\sqrt3}{2})$, $D=(\tfrac12,-\tfrac{\sqrt3}{2})$. Then $AB=AC=BC=1$ and $BD=CD=BC=1$, while $AD=\sqrt3$. Thus the distinct distances are $\{1,\sqrt3\}$, so again $D=2$.
Step 3: non-similarity. In the square example, the ratio of the larger distance to the smaller is $\sqrt2$, while in the two-triangles example the ratio is $\sqrt3$. Similarity transformations preserve all distance ratios, hence these two configurations are not similar.

Combining Steps 1--3 shows $g(4)=2$ and $|\mathcal{M}_4|\ge 2$. $\square$

Lemma 91.2 ($n=5$: the minimum value is 2). We have $g(5)=2$. Proof. As in Lemma 91.1, $g(5)\ge 2$ because 5 points cannot be pairwise equidistant in the plane. It remains to exhibit 5 points with exactly 2 distinct distances. Take a regular pentagon with side length $1$. In a regular pentagon, the pairwise distances are either the side length or the diagonal length, and there are no other distances among vertex pairs. More concretely, on a circle of radius $R=\left(2\sin(\pi/5)\right)^{-1}$, let $p_k=(R\cos(2\pi k/5),R\sin(2\pi k/5))$ for $k=0,1,2,3,4$. Then consecutive vertices satisfy $|p_{k+1}-p_k|=1$ by the choice of $R$, while nonconsecutive pairs are all diagonals and have the same length (by rotational symmetry). Therefore $D(\{p_0,\dots,p_4\})=2$, so $g(5)\le 2$. Thus $g(5)=2$. $\square$

FAST REALITY CHECK (explicit distance computations). A direct computation of squared distances for the configurations above gives:

Square: squared distances = {1, 2}
Two equilateral triangles sharing an edge: squared distances = {1, 3}
Regular pentagon (side=1): distances = {1, 1.6180339...}
so indeed each has exactly two distinct distances.

VERIFICATION.

  • The nonexistence of 4 (or 5) pairwise equidistant points in $\mathbb{R}^2$ follows from the fact that two circles intersect in at most two points.
  • The regular pentagon argument uses only rotational symmetry: all sides equal; all diagonals equal; no other pairs.
  • Non-similarity check is by the invariant distance ratio $\max\{|x-y|\}/\min\{|x-y|\}$.

FINAL. UNRESOLVED

  1. (i) Strongest proved partial result. We verified $g(4)=2$ and exhibited two non-similar minimisers for $n=4$ (Lemma 91.1). We also proved $g(5)=2$ by exhibiting a regular pentagon with two distances (Lemma 91.2).
  2. (ii) First gap (crisp). For large $n$, prove existence of two non-similar minimisers: construct $A,B$ with $|A|=|B|=n$, $D(A)=D(B)=g(n)$, and $A\not\sim B$.
  3. (iii) Top 3 next moves.
    • For moderately small $n$ (say $6\le n\le 12$), run constrained numeric optimisation / discrete searches (e.g. restricting to small integer grids) to guess candidate minimisers and test for non-uniqueness.
    • Prove stability/rigidity results: if $A$ is a minimiser with near-grid structure, show that small deformations strictly increase $D(A)$, then look for a different structured family with the same $D$.
    • Attempt a "two constructions" approach: produce two explicit infinite families (e.g. square grids vs. certain circular-arc constructions) with the same asymptotic $D$ and then prove that this asymptotic is optimal for $g(n)$.
  4. (iv) Likely structure of a minimal counterexample. A minimal counterexample would be an $n_0$ such that every minimiser for $g(n_0)$ is unique up to similarity, while for all smaller $n$ there are at least two classes. Such a unique minimiser would likely be extremely symmetric/rigid (analogous to the equilateral triangle for $n=3$), suggesting a highly constrained distance multiset.

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Math-670-A3 · No claim recorded · LLM-generated · gpt 5.2 ·

gpt 5.2 attempt on Math-670

OUTPUT 1) FORMAL RESTATEMENT Definitions/Conventions. For a finite set $A\subset\mathbb R^2$, define the number of distinct distances \[D(A):=\big|\{|x-y|: x,y\in A,\ x\ne y\}\big|.\] Let \[D_{\min}(n):=\min\{D(A): A\subset\mathbb R^2,\ |A|=n\}.\] Say that $A$ is an extremizer if $|A|=n$ and $D(A)=D_{\min}(n)$. Two sets are similar if one can be obtained from the other by a similarity transformation (composition of isometry and scaling).

Question. For large $n$, prove that there exist at least two non-similar extremizers $A$ for $D_{\min}(n)$.

2) QUICK LITERATURE/CONTEXT CHECK Web browsing is not available in this session. I will not use external results about $D_{\min}(n)$ beyond the small-$n$ examples stated in the problem text.

3) ATTACK PLAN Proof track ideas: 1. Understand small-$n$ extremizers and extract a mechanism for nonuniqueness (e.g. different combinatorial distance graphs). 2. Attempt to show that for large $n$, extremizers must be "highly structured" but not uniquely so, by comparing regular polygons vs. other configurations.

Disproof track ideas: 1. Try to show uniqueness of extremizers for infinitely many $n$; the problem statement suggests this is false for large $n$.

Chosen path in this attempt: establish the $n=4$ nonuniqueness rigorously as a model case by proving (i) $D_{\min}(4)=2$ and (ii) there are at least two non-similar extremizers achieving it.

4) WORK Lemma 1 (Four points determine at least two distinct distances). For any set $A\subset\mathbb R^2$ with $|A|=4$, one has $D(A)\ge 2$.

Proof. Assume for contradiction that $D(A)=1$. Then all pairwise distances between distinct points in $A$ are equal to some value $d>0$; i.e. $A$ is a set of four pairwise equidistant points. Pick three points $x,y,z\in A$. Since $|x-y|=|y-z|=|z-x|=d$, the triangle $xyz$ is equilateral. Let $O$ be the circumcenter of triangle $xyz$; in an equilateral triangle, the circumcenter is unique and satisfies $|O-x|=|O-y|=|O-z|=d/\sqrt3$.

Let $w$ be the fourth point in $A$. Because $|w-x|=|w-y|=d$, the point $w$ lies on the perpendicular bisector of segment $xy$. Similarly, $w$ lies on the perpendicular bisector of $xz$. The intersection of these two perpendicular bisectors is unique and equals the circumcenter $O$. Therefore $w=O$. But then $|w-x|=|O-x|=d/\sqrt3\ne d$, contradiction. Hence $D(A)\ge 2$. $\square$

Lemma 2 (Two non-similar extremizers for $n=4$). There exist two non-similar 4-point sets $A,B\subset\mathbb R^2$ with $D(A)=D(B)=2$.

Proof. Let $A$ be the vertices of a square of side length $1$. Then the pairwise distances among vertices are either $1$ (sides) or $\sqrt2$ (diagonals), so $D(A)=2$.

Let $B$ be the vertices of a rhombus with side length $1$ and acute angle $60^\circ$ (equivalently, two equilateral triangles sharing an edge). Then distances among its vertices are either $1$ (edges) or $\sqrt3$ (the longer diagonal), so again $D(B)=2$.

By Lemma 1, any 4-point set has at least 2 distinct distances, so $D_{\min}(4)=2$, and both $A$ and $B$ are extremizers. They are not similar because in a square the ratio of diagonal to side is $\sqrt2$, while in the $60^\circ$ rhombus the longer diagonal to side ratio is $\sqrt3$; similarity preserves this ratio. Thus $A$ and $B$ are non-similar extremizers. $\square$

FAST REALITY CHECK The problem statement says: $n=3$ has a unique extremizer (equilateral), $n=4$ has at least two, $n=5$ is unique (regular pentagon). Lemma 2 confirms the $n=4$ nonuniqueness with a complete proof.

5) VERIFICATION - Lemma 1's key fact is that the intersection of perpendicular bisectors of $xy$ and $xz$ is unique; this is standard Euclidean geometry. - Lemma 2 checks the distance sets explicitly and uses diagonal/side ratio as a similarity invariant.

6) FINAL UNRESOLVED

(i) Strongest fully proved partial result: I proved that $D_{\min}(4)=2$ and that there are at least two non-similar extremizers achieving it (Lemmas 1--2).

(ii) First gap: Extend beyond small $n$ and prove that for all sufficiently large $n$ there are at least two non-similar extremizers for $D_{\min}(n)$.

(iii) Top 3 next moves (concrete): 1. For each $n$, characterize the distance graph structure of extremizers (which distances occur with which multiplicities) and look for incompatible structures that can both realize $D_{\min}(n)$. 2. For $6\le n\le 9$ (where Erdős claimed nonuniqueness), write down explicit non-similar candidate extremizers and verify they achieve the same minimal number of distances. 3. Investigate whether known near-extremal constructions for the distinct distances problem (e.g. subsets of grids, regular polygons) can be perturbed in two inequivalent ways without increasing $D(A)$.

(iv) What a minimal counterexample would likely look like (structure/parameters): An infinite sequence $n_i\to\infty$ for which the extremizer is unique up to similarity, i.e. any $A$ with $|A|=n_i$ and $D(A)=D_{\min}(n_i)$ must be similar to a single canonical configuration.

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