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Erdős Problem #832

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Statement

The proposed assertion is that, for every fixed $r\ge3$ and all sufficiently large $k$, every $r$-uniform hypergraph with chromatic number $k$ has at least $\binom{(r-1)(k-1)+1}{r}$ edges, with the specified complete hypergraph as the only equality case. Alon disproved this. We reconstruct a disproof with the single fixed uniformity $r=100$ and arbitrarily large $k$, using a precisely stated Turán covering estimate. This is enough to refute the universal assertion; it makes no claim to settle the separate large-$k$ case $r=3$.

Restatement from Math-5926-A1 r1, with the source manuscript’s qualifications.

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Erdős Problem 832: edge counts versus hypergraph chromatic number

1. Statement and scope of the disproof

The proposed assertion is that, for every fixed $r\ge3$ and all sufficiently large $k$, every $r$-uniform hypergraph with chromatic number $k$ has at least $\binom{(r-1)(k-1)+1}{r}$ edges, with the specified complete hypergraph as the only equality case. Alon disproved this. We reconstruct a disproof with the single fixed uniformity $r=100$ and arbitrarily large $k$, using a precisely stated Turán covering estimate. This is enough to refute the universal assertion; it makes no claim to settle the separate large-$k$ case $r=3$.

2. Explicit external input

Write $T(N,s,r)$ for the minimum number of $r$-sets on an $N$-element ground set needed so that every $s$-set contains one of them. We use the Frankl--Rödl covering estimate quoted in the proof of Alon's Proposition 1: \[ T(N,r+1,r)\le q_r\binom Nr,\qquad q_r=\frac{\log r}{\log r-1}\frac1{\lfloor r/\log r\rfloor}. \tag{1} \] Only $r=100$ and $N\ge101$ are used, so small-parameter conventions in this estimate are irrelevant. This combinatorial covering theorem is the external input, not a theorem already asserting the requested chromatic counterexample.

3. From covers to arbitrarily high chromatic number

Take $N=r(k-1)+1$ and let $E$ be the covering family supplied by $1$. In a colouring of the resulting hypergraph with $k-1$ colours, some colour class has at least $r+1$ vertices, by the pigeonhole principle. That class contains an edge of $E$, and the colouring is improper. Hence $\chi(H)\ge k$ while \[ |E(H)|\le q_r\binom{r(k-1)+1}{r}. \tag{2} \] There is no issue in obtaining chromatic number exactly $k$. Delete vertices one at a time until the chromatic number first reaches $k$. Deleting a vertex reduces the chromatic number by at most one, because a colouring of the remaining hypergraph extends by assigning the deleted vertex a new colour. The resulting induced subhypergraph has chromatic number $k$ and no more edges than $2$. For fixed $r$, as $k\to\infty$, \[ \frac{\binom{r(k-1)+1}{r}} {\binom{(r-1)(k-1)+1}{r}} \longrightarrow\left(\frac r{r-1}\right)^r. \tag{3} \] At $r=100$, the inequalities $4<\log100<5$ imply \[ q_{100}<\frac{4}{3}\frac1{20}=\frac1{15}. \] Also $(100/99)^{100}<\exp(100/99)<4$. Thus the limiting ratio between the bound $2$ and the conjectured lower bound is less than $4/15<1$. For every sufficiently large $k$, $2$ is strictly smaller than the proposed minimum. These are counterexamples at one fixed uniformity and arbitrarily large chromatic number, so the "$k$ sufficiently large in terms of $r$" qualification does not rescue the conjecture.

4. A matching-order elementary lower bound

The failure concerns the leading constant, rather than the power $k^r$. Here is Alon's recolouring argument with its parameters proved explicitly. For $k\ge r+1$, put \[ b=\left\lfloor\frac{k-1}{r}\right\rfloor,\qquad a=k-1-b. \] If an $r$-uniform hypergraph has at most $(r-1)b a^{r-1}$ edges, colour its vertices independently with $a$ colours. Each edge is monochromatic with probability $a^{1-r}$, so some colouring has at most $(r-1)b$ monochromatic edges. Choose one vertex from each such edge, producing a set $S$ of at most $(r-1)b$ vertices. Recolour $S$ using $b$ new colours, each used at most $r-1$ times. No edge entirely in $S$ can be monochromatic, because no new colour occurs $r$ times. An edge meeting both $S$ and its complement uses old and new colours. An edge disjoint from $S$ was not originally monochromatic, by the choice of $S$. Thus this is a proper $(a+b)=(k-1)$-colouring. Consequently chromatic number at least $k$ forces more than $(r-1)b a^{r-1}=\Omega_r(k^r)$ edges. The complete $r$-graph on $(r-1)(k-1)+1$ vertices gives the opposite $O_r(k^r)$ bound. This verifies the correct order of magnitude alongside the counterexample.

5. Sources and assessment

Sources: https://www.erdosproblems.com/832; N. Alon, Hypergraphs with high chromatic number, Graphs Combin. 1 $1985$, 387--389, Propositions 1--2, https://web.math.princeton.edu/~nalon/PDFS/Publications/Hypergraphs%20with%20high%20chromatic%20number.pdf. Formula $1$ is the Frankl--Rödl theorem explicitly quoted on printed page 388. SOLVED as a disproof of the universal assertion, relative to $1$. The fixed-uniformity counterexamples, exact-chromatic-number reduction and elementary order-of-growth lower bound are fully derived. The covering theorem's proof and the separate $r=3$ problem are not claimed as contributions of this attempt. Completion rate estimate: 100%.

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