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Erdős Problem #803

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Statement

There are no absolute constants $D$ and $\varepsilon>0$ forcing every sufficiently large graph with $N\log N$ edges to have a $D$-balanced $m$-vertex subgraph with $\varepsilon m\log m$ edges, for every prescribed $m$. We reconstruct Alon's layered random counterexample: Problems and results in extremal combinatorics, II, Proposition 2.1, https://www.cs.tau.ac.il/~nogaa/PDFS/extremalII1.pdf. See https://www.erdosproblems.com/803. All logarithms in this proof are base two.

Restatement from Math-5908-A1 r1, with the source manuscript’s qualifications.

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Erdős Problem 803: dense graphs without dense balanced subgraphs

Statement and claim.
There are no absolute constants $D$ and $\varepsilon>0$ forcing every sufficiently large graph with $N\log N$ edges to have a $D$-balanced $m$-vertex subgraph with $\varepsilon m\log m$ edges, for every prescribed $m$. We reconstruct Alon's layered random counterexample: Problems and results in extremal combinatorics, II, Proposition 2.1, https://www.cs.tau.ac.il/~nogaa/PDFS/extremalII1.pdf. See https://www.erdosproblems.com/803. All logarithms in this proof are base two.
The layered random graph.
Let $n=2^{2k}$, with $k$ arbitrarily large. Take a class $A$ of $n$ vertices, and, for each $4\leq i\leq k$, eight disjoint classes $B_{i,j}$, $1\leq j\leq8$, of size $n/2^i$. Each vertex of $A$ independently chooses one uniform neighbour in every $B_{i,j}$; there are no other edges. Put $B=\bigcup B_{i,j}$ and $N=n+|B|<2n$. Every vertex in $A$ has degree $8(k-3)$, so \[ e(G)=8n(k-3)\geq2n\log(2n)\geq N\log N \] for $k\geq7$. Every layer has at least $\sqrt n$ vertices.
A uniform sparsity property for the large layers.
For each $1\leq m\leq n$, set $r=\lceil4\sqrt{\log m}+16\rceil$. With positive probability the following holds simultaneously for all these $m$: if $A'\subseteq A$, $B'\subseteq B$ have size at most $m$, and $B'$ uses only layers of size at least $m2^r$, then they span fewer than $mr$ edges.

To prove this, pad the two candidate sets to size $m$; vertices outside the eligible layers can be treated as isolated for this counting purpose. Each side has a universe of at most $n$ vertices, after adding isolated placeholders if necessary. Thus there are at most $\binom nm^2$ choices. For a proposed set of $mr$ edges, its probability is zero if a vertex of $A$ is required to choose two neighbours in the same layer. Otherwise the choices are independent, and its probability is at most both $n^{-mr/2}$ and $(m2^r)^{-mr}$. If $mr>m^2$ the bad event is impossible. In the remaining cases its probability is at most \[ \binom nm^2\binom{m^2}{mr} \min\{n^{-mr/2},(m2^r)^{-mr}\}. \tag{1} \]

If $m\leq n^{1/4}$, use the first bound and $\binom ab\leq(ea/b)^b$. The harmless factors $e^{2m}(e/r)^{mr}m^{-2m}$ are at most one since $r\geq16$. Expression $1$ is at most \[ n^{2m}m^{mr}n^{-mr/2} \leq n^{2m-mr/4}\leq n^{-2m}. \] If $m>n^{1/4}$, the second bound in $1$ is at most \[ n^{2m}2^{-mr^2}\leq n^{-2m}, \] since $r^2\geq16\log m>4\log n$. The total failure probability is less than $\sum_{m\geq1}n^{-2m}<2/n^2$. Fix a realization satisfying the asserted property.

Bounding every balanced subgraph.
Let $H\subseteq G$ have $m$ vertices, average degree $d$, and maximum degree at most $Dd$, where $D\geq1$ is fixed. If $d=0$, there is nothing to prove. Split its vertices in $B$ according to layer size. The total number of vertices in all layers of size at most $m/(64D)$ is at most \[ 8\cdot2\frac{m}{64D}=\frac{m}{4D} \] by the geometric series. Edges incident with these vertices number at most $md/4$.

There are at most $r+\log(64D)+2$ possible layer indices with sizes between $m/(64D)$ and $m2^r$. For each of the eight copies of an index, each vertex of $A\cap V(H)$ contributes at most one edge. The middle layers therefore contribute at most \[ 8m\left(r+\log(64D)+2\right). \] The larger layers contribute fewer than $mr$ edges by the sparsity property. If $m>n$, there are no such layers, so this bound remains valid without invoking that property. Since $e(H)=md/2$, we conclude \[ \frac{md}{2}\leq\frac{md}{4} +8m\left(r+\log(64D)+2\right)+mr, \] and hence \[ d\leq36\left(4\sqrt{\log m}+\log(64D)+19\right). \tag{2} \] A $D$-balanced subgraph satisfies $\Delta(H)\leq D\delta(H)\leq Dd$, so $2$ applies to it.

The quantifier contradiction.
Given proposed absolute constants $D,\varepsilon>0$, replace $D$ by $\max(D,1)$ and choose a fixed sufficiently large $m$ such that \[ 18\left(4\sqrt{\log m}+\log(64D)+19\right)<\varepsilon\log m. \] The graphs above have arbitrarily large orders $N$ and at least $N\log N$ edges. Yet every $D$-balanced $m$-vertex subgraph has, by $2$, fewer than $\varepsilon m\log m$ edges. This is exactly the negation of the proposed assertion. Changing the logarithm base changes only constants. Notice that the bound on the edge count includes a term of order $m\log D$; treating $D$ as fixed is sufficient for the disproof, and no uniform additive $O(\log D)$ edge bound is inferred here.
Completion estimate.
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