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Math-5887

Erdős Problem #777

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Statement

For $\mathcal F\subseteq2^{[n]}$, let $m=|\mathcal F|$ and $e(\mathcal F)$ count unordered pairs of distinct comparable members. The questions ask:

  1. Does $m\leq(2-\varepsilon)2^{n/2}$ force $e(\mathcal F)<2^n$ for large $n$?
  2. Does $e(\mathcal F)\geq c m^2$ force $m=O_c(2^{n/2})$?
  3. For every $\varepsilon>0$, is there a $\delta>0$ such that $e(\mathcal F)>m^{2-\delta}$ forces $m<(2+\varepsilon)^{n/2}$?
The answers are yes, no, yes. We give a complete explicit counterexample to the second, and deductions for the first and third from precisely stated published inputs. Attempt status: solved relative to those inputs.

Restatement from Math-5887-A1 r1, with the source manuscript’s qualifications.

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Erdős Problem #777: comparable pairs of subsets

The three questions

For $\mathcal F\subseteq2^{[n]}$, let $m=|\mathcal F|$ and $e(\mathcal F)$ count unordered pairs of distinct comparable members. The questions ask:
  1. Does $m\leq(2-\varepsilon)2^{n/2}$ force $e(\mathcal F)<2^n$ for large $n$?
  2. Does $e(\mathcal F)\geq c m^2$ force $m=O_c(2^{n/2})$?
  3. For every $\varepsilon>0$, is there a $\delta>0$ such that $e(\mathcal F)>m^{2-\delta}$ forces $m<(2+\varepsilon)^{n/2}$?
The answers are yes, no, yes. We give a complete explicit counterexample to the second, and deductions for the first and third from precisely stated published inputs. Attempt status: solved relative to those inputs.

First question: few triangles and a sharp coefficient

We use the following external lemma of Alon--Das--Glebov--Sudakov (Lemma 3.1, $k=2$): for every $\gamma>0$ and all sufficiently large $n$, the comparability graph of any family of size $m\geq2^{n/2}$ has at most $\gamma\binom m3$ triangles. We also use the triangle-removal lemma: a graph with $o(m^3)$ triangles can be made triangle-free by deleting $o(m^2)$ edges. The estimates are uniform over these families.

A triangle-free graph on $m$ vertices has at most $m^2/4$ edges. Indeed, for each edge $uv$, the disjointness of the two neighbourhoods gives $d(u)+d(v)\leq m$. Summing over edges and using Cauchy--Schwarz gives $4e^2/m\leq\sum_vd(v)^2\leq me$, hence the assertion. Therefore, uniformly when $m\geq2^{n/2}$, \[ e(\mathcal F)\leq\frac{m^2}{4}+o(m^2). \tag{1} \] If $m<2^{n/2}$, the elementary estimate $e< m^2/2<2^{n-1}$ already suffices. Otherwise, under $m\leq(2-\varepsilon)2^{n/2}$, $1$ gives \[ e(\mathcal F)\leq\left(\frac{(2-\varepsilon)^2}{4}+o(1)\right)2^n<2^n. \] This argument handles both parities of $n$; it does not assume the existence of two equal-dimensional integer cubes.

Second question: an explicit thickened pair of cubes

Take $n=2r$ and split the ground set into $L,R$, each of size $r$. Define \[ \mathcal F_1=\{A\cup S:A\subseteq L,\ S\subseteq R,\ |S|\leq1\},\qquad \mathcal F_2=\{(L\setminus T)\cup B:T\subseteq L,\ |T|\leq1,\ B\subseteq R\}. \] Their intersection has $(r+1)^2$ elements, so for $\mathcal F=\mathcal F_1\cup\mathcal F_2$, \[ m=2(r+1)2^r-(r+1)^2,\qquad m/2^{n/2}\sim2r\longrightarrow\infty. \tag{2} \]

For fixed $T,S$, the containment $A\cup S\subseteq(L\setminus T)\cup B$ holds precisely when $A\cap T=\varnothing$ and $S\subseteq B$. Thus the number of such ordered containment pairs, including equality, is \[ \left(\sum_{|T|\leq1}2^{r-|T|}\right) \left(\sum_{|S|\leq1}2^{r-|S|}\right) =(1+r/2)^2\,4^r. \] Subtracting the $(r+1)^2$ equality cases, we obtain \[ e(\mathcal F)\geq(1+r/2)^2\,4^r-(r+1)^2. \tag{3} \] Every strict containment here represents a distinct unordered edge, since its orientation from the smaller set to the larger is unique. From $2$--$3$, \[ \liminf_{r\to\infty}\frac{e(\mathcal F)}{m^2}\geq\frac1{16}. \] In particular $e(\mathcal F)\geq m^2/32$ for all sufficiently large $r$, contradicting the proposed $O_c(2^{n/2})$ conclusion for a fixed $c=1/32$.

Third question: making the quantifiers explicit

The external Alon--Frankl estimate, quoted with its explicit $k=1$ constants in the primary paper below, is \[ m=2^{(1/2+\alpha)n},\quad \alpha>0 \quad\Longrightarrow\quad e(\mathcal F)<4m^{\,2-\alpha^2/2}. \tag{4} \] It is enough to consider $0<\varepsilon<2$; proving a smaller positive $\varepsilon$ also implies the conclusion for a larger one. Set \[ a=\tfrac12\log_2(2+\varepsilon)-\tfrac12>0,\qquad \delta=a^2/4. \] If $m\geq(2+\varepsilon)^{n/2}$, then $\alpha=\log_2(m)/n-1/2\geq a$. Equation $4$ implies \[ e(\mathcal F)<4m^{2-a^2/2}\leq m^{2-\delta} \] for sufficiently large $n$, since $m^{a^2/4}\to\infty$. The contrapositive is precisely the third assertion.

Attribution and dependencies

The thickened-cube construction and estimate $4$ are Alon--Frankl's. The source read here is N. Alon, S. Das, R. Glebov and B. Sudakov, Comparable pairs in families of sets, Section 1.1, Lemma 3.1 and Section 2, https://www.cs.tau.ac.il/~nogaa/PDFS/compairs4.pdf. The triangle-sparseness lemma, triangle-removal lemma and $4$ are explicitly external; the counting, graph bound and all three deductions are supplied above. Statement checked at https://www.erdosproblems.com/777 on 24 September 2026. No novelty or local Lean verification is claimed.

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