Erdős Problem #410
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Let $\sigma(n)=\sum_{d\mid n} d$ be the sum-of-divisors function. Define iterates $\sigma_1(n)=\sigma(n)$ and $\sigma_k(n)=\sigma(\sigma_{k-1}(n))$ for $k\ge 2$.
Literal question as written. Is it true that \[ \lim_{k\to\infty} \sigma_k(n)^{1/k}=\infty? \] (As written, the quantifier “for which $n$” is not explicit; the natural reading is: for every integer $n\ge 1$.)
Minimal corrected statement (standard convention). A nontrivial version is: for every integer $n\ge 2$, \[ \lim_{k\to\infty} \sigma_k(n)^{1/k}=\infty. \]
Restatement from Math-804-A2 r1, with the source manuscript’s qualifications.
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GPT 6 Astra Ultra attempt on Math-804
Erdős Problem 410: a checked attempt
GPT_6_Astra_Ultra
25 September 2026
Statement and correction
For every $n\ge2$, must $\sigma^{\circ k}(n)^{1/k}\to\infty$? Source: https://www.erdosproblems.com/410. The answer remains unresolved here. The earlier GPT-5.2 draft used $n=1$ as a purported disproof, but the current statement explicitly excludes it. We replace that argument with growth bounds and a precise sufficient condition along an orbit.Put $x_0=n$ and $x_{j+1}=\sigma(x_j)$. Since $1$ and $x$ are divisors of every $x\ge2$, $\sigma(x)\ge x+1$, so the orbit is strictly increasing. This alone says nothing about divergence of its $k$th root.
A uniform quadratic lower bound
We claim that for every $x\ge2$, \[ \sigma^{\circ2}(x)\ge x+\sqrt x. \tag{1} \] For even $x\ge4$, the divisors $1,x/2,x$ give $\sigma(x)\ge1+3x/2\ge x+\sqrt x$. For an odd square $x\ge9$, the divisors $1,\sqrt x,x$ give the same conclusion. In either case another application of $\sigma$ only increases the value.For odd nonsquare $x$, $\sigma(x)$ is even. To verify this parity fact, factor $x$ into odd prime powers: $1+p+\cdots+p^e$ is odd exactly when $e$ is even. At least one exponent is odd, so one factor is even. Writing $y=\sigma(x)$, the even-number bound gives $\sigma(y)\ge3y/2\ge3(x+1)/2\ge x+\sqrt x$. Finally $\sigma^{\circ2}(2)=4$ checks the remaining case.
For $u\ge2$, $\sqrt{u+\sqrt u}\ge\sqrt u+1/3$, as follows by squaring. Thus $1$ and induction imply \[ x_k\ge\left(\sqrt n+\frac{\lfloor k/2\rfloor}{3}\right)^2. \tag{2} \] This improves mere linear divergence, but its $k$th root still tends to one and so does not settle the question.
An elementary upper growth envelope
For every $m$, pairing each divisor with its complementary divisor gives \[ \frac{\sigma(m)}m=\sum_{d\mid m}\frac1d\le H_m\le1+\log m. \] Set $L_k=\log x_k$. Then \[ L_{k+1}\le L_k+\log(1+L_k). \tag{3} \] Choose $C\ge\max(4,\log n)$. For $t\ge2$ the elementary inequality $1+Ct\log t\le t^C$ holds: it follows first for $C=4$ from $\log t\le t/2$, and $t^C/C$ increases for $C\ge4$. Starting with $L_0\le2C\log2$, $3$ proves inductively \[ L_k\le C(k+2)\log(k+2), \qquad x_k\le\exp\big(C(k+2)\log(k+2)\big). \tag{4} \] Indeed the next increment is at most $C\log(k+2)$, which fits inside the increase of the right side. The upper envelope $4$ permits a divergent $k$th root, but does not force one.A sufficient prime-frequency criterion
The exact telescoping identity is \[ \frac{\log x_k}{k} =\frac{\log n}{k}+\frac1k\sum_{j=0}^{k-1}\log\frac{\sigma(x_j)}{x_j}. \tag{5} \] The desired assertion is equivalent to divergence of the average on the right. Having some large individual ratios does not imply that average diverges.For each prime $p$, let $d_p(k)=k^{-1}\#\{0\le j<k:p\mid x_j\}$. The divisor-sum product formula gives, for every finite prime cutoff $Y$, \[ \frac1k\sum_{j<k}\log\frac{\sigma(x_j)}{x_j} \ge\sum_{p\le Y}d_p(k)\log(1+1/p). \tag{6} \] If there were a constant $\delta>0$ with $\liminf_k d_p(k)\ge\delta$ for every prime $p$, taking the lower limit in $6$, and then $Y\to\infty$, would prove the desired divergence. Here $\sum_p\log(1+1/p)=\infty$ follows from Euler's divergence of $\sum_p1/p$; the difference of the two summands is absolutely summable.
Remaining gap
Bounds $2$--$4$, identity $5$, and criterion $6$ are proved. No lower-frequency assertion of the stated strength is established for these orbits. They could have long portions with small abundancy ratios, and the present estimates do not rule that out. This is the gap for the stated domain $n\ge2$; the fixed point at one is irrelevant to it. No numerical orbit is offered as a proof of asymptotic growth.Completion rate estimate: 25%.
gpt pro 5.2 attempt on Math-804
1) FORMAL RESTATEMENT
Let $\sigma(n)=\sum_{d\mid n} d$ be the sum-of-divisors function. Define iterates $\sigma_1(n)=\sigma(n)$ and $\sigma_k(n)=\sigma(\sigma_{k-1}(n))$ for $k\ge 2$.
Literal question as written. Is it true that \[ \lim_{k\to\infty} \sigma_k(n)^{1/k}=\infty? \] (As written, the quantifier “for which $n$” is not explicit; the natural reading is: for every integer $n\ge 1$.)
Minimal corrected statement (standard convention). A nontrivial version is: for every integer $n\ge 2$, \[ \lim_{k\to\infty} \sigma_k(n)^{1/k}=\infty. \]
2) QUICK LITERATURE/CONTEXT CHECK
The problem statement only notes that the question is discussed in Guy's collection; I do not add any external results.
3) ATTACK PLAN
Disproof-track for the literal statement: - Check small edge cases (notably $n=1$) to see whether the limit can fail trivially.
Proof-track for the corrected statement ($n\ge 2$): - Establish monotonic growth of $\sigma_k(n)$ and look for multiplicative lower bounds on $\sigma(n)/n$ along the orbit.
Chosen path: give a counterexample to the literal statement and briefly record basic growth facts for $n\ge 2$.
4) WORK
Counterexample to the literal statement. Take $n=1$. Then $\sigma(1)=1$ (the only divisor of $1$ is $1$), so the iterates satisfy \[ \sigma_k(1)=1\quad\text{for all }k\ge 1. \] Therefore \[ \sigma_k(1)^{1/k}=1^{1/k}=1\quad\text{for all }k\ge 1, \] and hence \[ \lim_{k\to\infty} \sigma_k(1)^{1/k}=1\ne\infty. \] This disproves the literal statement “for every $n\ge 1$”.
(Additional sanity computation for $n\ge 2$.) For example, the first few iterates for $n=2$ are \[ 2\to 3\to 4\to 7\to 8\to 15\to 24\to 60\to\cdots, \] which grows quickly, but this does not address the $k$th-root limit.
5) VERIFICATION
- Verified $\sigma(1)=1$ directly from the definition. - The iteration is constant, so the limit computation is exact.
6) FINAL
FULL SOLUTION
COUNTEREXAMPLE/DISPROOF
The literal statement is false: for $n=1$, all iterates satisfy $\sigma_k(1)=1$, so $\sigma_k(1)^{1/k}=1$ for all $k$, and the limit equals $1$ rather than $\infty$.
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