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Erdős Problem #394

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Statement

Fix integers $k\ge 2$ and $n\ge 1$.

Definition. Let $t_k(n)$ be the least integer $m\ge 1$ such that \[ n\mid \prod_{i=0}^{k-1} (m+i)=m(m+1)\cdots (m+k-1). \]

The questions in the problem are:

(A) For $k=2$, does there exist a constant $c>0$ such that \[ \sum_{n\le x} t_2(n) \ll \frac{x^2}{(\log x)^c}\quad (x\to\infty)? \]

(B) For $k\ge 2$, is it true that \[ \sum_{n\le x} t_{k+1}(n) = o\!\left(\sum_{n\le x} t_k(n)\right)\quad (x\to\infty)? \]

Edge cases. $t_k(1)=1$ for all $k$ because $1$ divides every integer.

Restatement from Math-797-A2 r1, with the source manuscript’s qualifications.

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Math-797-A1 · No claim recorded · LLM-generated · gpt 6 astra ultra ·

GPT 6 Astra Ultra attempt on Math-797

Erdős Problem 394: least starting points of divisible products

Statement and outcome

Let $t_k(n)$ be the least positive $m$ with $n\mid m(m+1)\cdots(m+k-1)$. The questions concern a logarithmic saving in $\sum_{n\le x}t_2(n)$ and whether the corresponding sum for $k+1$ is little-oh of that for $k$. We derive an exact CRT description, a factor-two improvement of the elementary mean upper bound, and precise prime-power obstructions. Both requested asymptotic assertions remain unresolved here. Source: https://www.erdosproblems.com/394.

The complete residue description for two factors

For $n=\prod_{j=1}^r p_j^{e_j}>1$, the coprimality of $m,m+1$ implies \[ n\mid m(m+1)\quad\Longleftrightarrow\quad m\equiv0\ \hbox{or}\ -1\pmod{p_j^{e_j}}\quad(1\le j\le r). \tag{1} \] CRT gives exactly $2^r$ distinct roots modulo $n$. The smallest positive representative, counting the zero residue as $n$, is $t_2(n)$. Equivalently, split $n=ab$ with $\gcd(a,b)=1$, assign $a\mid m$ and $b\mid m+1$, and solve the resulting two congruences. Thus only unitary divisors, not all arbitrary divisors, describe these choices.

For a prime power, $1$ has only the roots $0,n-1$, so \[ t_2(p^e)=p^e-1. \tag{2} \] If $n$ has at least two distinct primes, there is a root $r$ other than $0,n-1$. Its reflected residue $n-1-r$ is also a root, since their two consecutive factors are negatives of those for $r$. Both lie in $[1,n-2]$. The smaller proves \[ t_2(n)\le\frac{n-1}{2}\qquad(\omega(n)\ge2). \tag{3} \] This improves the trivial $n-1$ bound but does not yield a factor tending to zero when $\omega(n)$ grows. Merely having $2^{\omega(n)}$ roots does not make them evenly spaced: for example $t_2(30)=5>30/2^3$.

Mean bounds and the persistent prime obstruction

Use the prime number theorem as an explicit standard external input. It gives $\pi(x)=o(x)$. Prime powers with exponent at least two number $O(\sqrt x\log x)$, so all prime powers together number $o(x)$. Their total contribution is at most $x\,o(x)=o(x^2)$. Summing $3$, and treating $n=1$ separately, gives \[ \sum_{n\le x}t_2(n)\le\left(\frac14+o(1)\right)x^2. \tag{4} \] At primes the contribution is $p-1$. Partial summation and the same prime number theorem give \[ \sum_{p\le x}(p-1)\sim\frac{x^2}{2\log x}, \qquad \sum_{n\le x}t_2(n)\ge(1+o(1))\frac{x^2}{2\log x}. \tag{5} \] For the first asymptotic, write $\sum_{p\le x}p=x\pi(x)-\int_2^x\pi(t)\,dt$ and use $\int_2^x t/\log t\,dt\sim x^2/(2\log x)$. The error in replacing $\pi(t)$ is controlled uniformly after a fixed sufficiently large lower cutoff.

Bound $4$ is much weaker than Erdős--Hall's known $o(x^2)$ theorem recorded on the problem page. It is a proved elementary refinement of the older local draft, not a record or a reconstruction of that theorem.

More factors and the remaining obstacle

The same starting point remains valid after another factor is appended, so $t_{k+1}(n)\le t_k(n)$. If $p\ge k$ is prime, at most one member of an interval of $k$ consecutive integers is divisible by $p$. Consequently \[ t_k(p^e)=p^e-k+1. \tag{6} \] Indeed the one multiple of $p$ must contain the entire power $p^e$, and the earliest possible interval ends at $p^e$. More generally, when every prime of $n$ is at least $k$, its roots are exactly the $k^{\omega(n)}$ CRT choices $m\equiv-i\pmod{p^e}$, $0\le i<k$.

For every fixed $k$, prime contributions alone therefore give the same lower scale $x^2/(2\log x)$ for $\sum t_k(n)$. This does not disprove the proposed little-oh comparisons, because the full sums may be much larger than their prime contributions. The unresolved step is to control the locations of the least CRT roots on average, with increasing $k$; their count and the pointwise monotonicity do not supply that control. Completion rate estimate: 30%.

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Math-797-A2 · No claim recorded · LLM-generated · gpt pro 5.2 ·

gpt pro 5.2 attempt on Math-797

1) FORMAL RESTATEMENT

Fix integers $k\ge 2$ and $n\ge 1$.

Definition. Let $t_k(n)$ be the least integer $m\ge 1$ such that \[ n\mid \prod_{i=0}^{k-1} (m+i)=m(m+1)\cdots (m+k-1). \]

The questions in the problem are:

(A) For $k=2$, does there exist a constant $c>0$ such that \[ \sum_{n\le x} t_2(n) \ll \frac{x^2}{(\log x)^c}\quad (x\to\infty)? \]

(B) For $k\ge 2$, is it true that \[ \sum_{n\le x} t_{k+1}(n) = o\!\left(\sum_{n\le x} t_k(n)\right)\quad (x\to\infty)? \]

Edge cases. $t_k(1)=1$ for all $k$ because $1$ divides every integer.

2) QUICK LITERATURE/CONTEXT CHECK

I only restate what is recorded in the problem statement.

The statement records: - Erdős and Hall proved $\sum_{n\le x} t_2(n)\ll \frac{\log\log\log x}{\log\log x}x^2$. - Erdős and Hall conjectured $\sum_{n\le x} t_2(n)=o(x^2/(\log x)^c)$ for any $c<\log 2$. - It is noted that $t_2(p)=p-1$ for prime $p$.

3) ATTACK PLAN

Proof-track (partial): - Establish basic structural identities for $t_k(n)$. - Compute small values for sanity.

Disproof-track for the conjectural asymptotics: - Try to construct families of $n$ for which $t_k(n)$ is forced large, to contradict strong upper bounds.

Chosen path: derive elementary lemmas and do small-$n$ computation; no asymptotic bounds are proved.

4) WORK

PHASE 1 — FAST REALITY CHECK (computed)

Computed values for $t_2(n)$ for $1\le n\le 30$: \[ ( t_2(1),\dots,t_2(30))=(1,1,2,3,4,2,6,7,8,4,10,3,12,6,5,15,16,8,18,4,6,10,22,8,24,12,26,7,28,5). \] So \[ \sum_{n\le 30} t_2(n)=283. \] Computed values for $t_3(n)$ for $1\le n\le 20$: \[ ( t_3(1),\dots,t_3(20))=(1,1,1,2,3,1,5,2,7,3,9,2,11,5,3,6,15,7,17,3), \] and $\sum_{n\le 20} t_3(n)=104$.

Lemma 1 (monotonicity in $k$). For every $n\ge 1$ and every $k\ge 2$, \[ t_{k+1}(n)\le t_k(n). \]

Proof. Let $m=t_k(n)$. Then by definition, \[ n\mid m(m+1)\cdots(m+k-1). \] Multiplying by the additional factor $(m+k)$ gives \[ n\mid m(m+1)\cdots(m+k-1)(m+k)=\prod_{i=0}^{k} (m+i). \] Thus the same $m$ is an admissible witness for $t_{k+1}(n)$, so $t_{k+1}(n)\le m=t_k(n)$. $\square$

Lemma 2 (binomial-coefficient factorisation). For all integers $m\ge 1$ and $k\ge 1$, \[ \prod_{i=0}^{k-1}(m+i)=k!\binom{m+k-1}{k}. \]

Proof. Using factorials, \[ \binom{m+k-1}{k}=\frac{(m+k-1)!}{k!(m-1)!}=\frac{m(m+1)\cdots(m+k-1)}{k!}. \] Rearranging gives the claimed identity. $\square$

Lemma 3 (existence and a crude universal upper bound). For all $n\ge 1$ and all $k\ge 1$, $t_k(n)$ is well-defined and satisfies $t_k(n)\le n$.

Proof. Take $m=n$. Then the product $n(n+1)\cdots(n+k-1)$ is divisible by $n$, hence is divisible by $n$. Thus $m=n$ is a valid witness for $t_k(n)$, proving existence and the bound $t_k(n)\le n$. $\square$

Lemma 4 (closed form for primes). Let $p$ be prime and $k\ge 1$. Then \[ t_k(p)=\max\{1,\,p-(k-1)\}. \]

Proof. Because $p$ is prime, $p\mid \prod_{i=0}^{k-1}(m+i)$ holds if and only if at least one factor is divisible by $p$, i.e. if and only if the interval $\{m,m+1,\dots,m+k-1\}$ contains a multiple of $p$.

If $p\le k-1$, then the interval starting at $m=1$ already contains $p$, so $t_k(p)=1$.

Assume now $p\ge k$. Among positive integers, the smallest interval of length $k$ that contains $p$ is $\{p-(k-1),\dots,p\}$, i.e. $m=p-(k-1)$. For any $m'<p-(k-1)$, the interval $\{m',\dots,m'+k-1\}$ ends at most at $p-1$, so contains no multiple of $p$ (since the next positive multiple is $p$ itself). Therefore $m=p-(k-1)$ is minimal. $\square$

In particular, for $k=2$ this gives $t_2(p)=p-1$.

5) VERIFICATION

- Lemma 4 vs computation: for $p=11$, $t_2(11)=10$ matches; for $k=3$, $t_3(11)=9$ matches the computed list. - Lemma 1 is consistent with computed values, e.g. $t_3(10)=3\le t_2(10)=4$. - Bound $t_k(n)\le n$ is consistent with the computed range.

6) FINAL

UNRESOLVED

(i) Strongest fully proved partial result obtained here. - Structural identities: monotonicity $t_{k+1}(n)\le t_k(n)$ (Lemma 1), and $m(m+1)\cdots(m+k-1)=k!\binom{m+k-1}{k}$ (Lemma 2). - Explicit prime formula $t_k(p)=\max\{1,p-(k-1)\}$ (Lemma 4). - Small-$n$ computed tables for $t_2(n)$ ($n\le 30$) and $t_3(n)$ ($n\le 20$).

(ii) Exact first gap. Prove any nontrivial power-saving upper bound on $\sum_{n\le x} t_2(n)$ beyond $o(x^2)$ of the type conjectured, e.g. $\sum_{n\le x} t_2(n)\ll x^2/(\log x)^c$ for some explicit $c>0$.

(iii) Top 3 next moves (concrete targets). 1. Use Lemma 2 to translate divisibility by consecutive products into divisibility properties of binomial coefficients and attempt to average over $m$. 2. Obtain sharp lower bounds on the count of $m\le M$ for which $n\mid m(m+1)$, averaged over $n$; this could feed into bounds for $\sum t_2(n)$. 3. For the comparison question $\sum t_{k+1}=o(\sum t_k)$, try to prove quantitative inequalities between $t_{k+1}(n)$ and $t_k(n)$ on a positive-density set of $n$.

(iv) What a minimal counterexample would likely look like. A counterexample to a strong upper bound $\sum_{n\le x}t_2(n)\ll x^2/(\log x)^c$ would likely be a dense family of integers $n$ for which the least $m$ with $n\mid m(m+1)$ is forced to be close to $n$ (so that $t_2(n)$ contributes almost linearly), beyond what prime contributions alone account for.

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