Erdős Problem #30
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A set $S\subseteq\{1,\dots,N\}$ is a Sidon set if all sums $s_i+s_j$ with $s_i\le s_j$ are distinct. Let $h(N)$ denote the maximum possible size of a Sidon set in $\{1,\dots,N\}$. The question asks whether for every $\epsilon>0$ one has \[ h(N)=N^{1/2}+O_{\epsilon}(N^{\epsilon}). \]
Restatement from Math-649-A3 r1, with the source manuscript’s qualifications.
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gpt pro 5.4 attempt on Math-649, version 2
Round 7 (Problem 30): a distinct-gap improvement of the Singer embedding
1) Round-7 Objective
Path (A): proof direction (strengthen the explicit lower-bound family). Round 6 globalised the Round 5 Singer subsequence by combining it with primes in short intervals, but the actual subsequence construction from Round 5 still used only the crude fact that a $(q+1)$-point subset of a cycle of length $q^2+q+1$ has a gap of size at least the average, namely $q+1$.The most promising direction is therefore to sharpen the cyclic geometry of the Singer construction itself. In this round we do exactly that.
The new theorem is: \[ h\!\left(q^2-\left\lfloor \frac q2\right\rfloor+1\right)\ge q+1 \qquad\text{for every prime power }q. \] This strictly improves the Round 5 family \[ h(q^2+1)\ge q+1. \] As a consequence, \[ \limsup_{N\to\infty}\left(h(N)-\sqrt N\right)\ge \frac54, \] improving the Round 5 bound $\ge 1$.
The original Erdős--Turán problem remains open: is it true that for every $\varepsilon>0$, \[ h(N)=\sqrt N+O_\varepsilon(N^\varepsilon)\,? \]
2) Round-6 / Earlier Foundation Used
We rely on the following previously vetted results.- (R5 Singer existence theorem) For every prime power $q$ and \[ v=q^2+q+1, \] there exists a perfect difference set \[ D\subset \mathbb Z/v\mathbb Z \qquad\text{with}\qquad |D|=q+1. \]
- (R5 injective modular-to-integer transfer) If $B\subset \mathbb Z$ is finite, reduction modulo $v$ is injective on $B$, and the image of $B$ is Sidon in $\mathbb Z/v\mathbb Z$, then $B$ is Sidon in $\mathbb Z$.
- (R5 cut-at-a-gap principle) If a translate of $D\subset \mathbb Z/v\mathbb Z$ lies on an arc of length $L$, then choosing integer representatives on that arc and translating to start at $1$ gives an integer Sidon set inside $\{1,\dots,L+1\}$.
- (R6 final status) The main Erdős--Turán question remains open; Round 6 produced global lower bounds from the Round 5 family, but did not improve the Singer subsequence itself.
We will strengthen the Round 5 gap argument by exploiting a new structural property of perfect difference sets.
3) New Insight / Tool (Round 7)
The cyclic gaps in a perfect difference set are pairwise distinct.Let \[ 0\le d_0<d_1<\cdots<d_q\le v-1 \] be representatives of a perfect difference set $D\subset \mathbb Z/v\mathbb Z$, and define the cyclic gaps \[ g_i:=d_{i+1}-d_i\quad(0\le i\le q-1),\qquad g_q:=d_0+v-d_q. \] Each $g_i$ is an ordered difference of two elements of $D$. Since perfect difference sets have all nonzero ordered differences distinct, the $g_i$ must be pairwise distinct.
This single observation upgrades the Round 5 averaging bound: instead of merely knowing that the largest gap is at least the average $(q^2+q+1)/(q+1)$, we now know it is the largest among $q+1$ distinct positive integers summing to $q^2+q+1$. That forces a much larger gap.
4) Attack Plan (Round 7)
The exact gap left after Round 6 is this:Round 6 globalised the old Singer subsequence, but the intrinsic lower-bound subsequence itself still only came from the weak bound "max gap $\ge$ average gap".
To improve it, we:
- prove that the cyclic gaps in a perfect difference set are distinct;
- prove a sharp extremal lemma for the largest of $q+1$ distinct positive integers with fixed sum $q^2+q+1$;
- cut the Singer cycle at this improved gap;
- transfer back to the integer setting using the Round 5 injective transfer lemma.
This yields a strictly shorter ambient interval than in Round 5, and therefore a larger lower bound for the second-order term.
5) Work (Round 7)
5.1. Distinct cyclic gaps in a perfect difference set
- each $g_i$ is a positive integer;
- \[ \sum_{i=0}^q g_i=v; \]
- the integers $g_0,\dots,g_q$ are pairwise distinct.
For distinctness, note that for $0\le i\le q-1$ the gap $g_i$ is exactly the ordered difference \[ d_{i+1}-d_i \pmod v, \] and \[ g_q\equiv d_0-d_q \pmod v. \] Thus every $g_i$ is a nonzero ordered difference between two elements of $D$.
If $g_i=g_j$ for some $i\neq j$, then two distinct ordered pairs of elements of $D$ would yield the same nonzero ordered difference modulo $v$, contradicting the defining property of a perfect difference set. Therefore the $g_i$ are pairwise distinct. ∎
5.2. Extremal bound for the largest distinct gap
5.3. Improved Singer embedding
Choose representatives \[ 0\le d_0<d_1<\cdots<d_q\le v-1 \] and define cyclic gaps $g_0,\dots,g_q$ as in Lemma Lemma (Distinct-gap lemma). Let \[ G:=\max_i g_i. \] By Corollary Corollary (Improved gap lower bound for Singer parameters), \[ G\ge \left\lfloor \frac{3q}{2}\right\rfloor+1. \]
Now cut the cycle at a gap of size $G$. That is, translate $D$ so that the point after this largest gap becomes $0$, and then choose integer representatives on the complementary arc. By the Round 5 cut-at-a-gap principle, we obtain a set \[ B\subset \mathbb Z \] whose reduction modulo $v$ is a translate of $D$, and whose diameter satisfies \[ \operatorname{diam}(B)\le v-G. \] Using the bound on $G$ gives \[ \operatorname{diam}(B)\le q^2+q+1-\left(\left\lfloor \frac{3q}{2}\right\rfloor+1\right) = q^2+q-\left\lfloor \frac{3q}{2}\right\rfloor. \] Since \[ q^2+q-\left\lfloor \frac{3q}{2}\right\rfloor = q^2-\left\lfloor \frac q2\right\rfloor < v, \] reduction modulo $v$ is injective on $B$. Moreover the image of $B$ modulo $v$ is a translate of the perfect difference set $D$, hence is Sidon in $\mathbb Z/v\mathbb Z$.
By the Round 5 injective modular-to-integer transfer lemma, $B$ is Sidon in $\mathbb Z$. Finally translate $B$ so that its minimum becomes $1$: \[ S:=B-(\min B)+1. \] Then \[ |S|=|B|=q+1 \] and \[ S\subseteq \{1,2,\dots,\operatorname{diam}(B)+1\} \subseteq \left\{1,2,\dots, q^2-\left\lfloor \frac q2\right\rfloor+1\right\}. \] Thus $S$ is an integer Sidon set of the required size in the claimed interval. ∎
5.4. Consequence for the second-order term
Now \[ \left\lfloor \frac q2\right\rfloor\ge \frac q2-\frac12, \] so \[ N_q\le q^2-\frac q2+\frac32. \] Hence \[ q+1-\sqrt{N_q}\ge q+1-\sqrt{q^2-\frac q2+\frac32}. \] Let \[ \alpha_q:=q-\frac14. \] Then \[ \alpha_q^2=q^2-\frac q2+\frac1{16}, \] so \[ q^2-\frac q2+\frac32=\alpha_q^2+\frac{23}{16}. \] Therefore \[ \sqrt{q^2-\frac q2+\frac32} =\alpha_q+\frac{\frac{23}{16}}{\alpha_q+\sqrt{q^2-\frac q2+\frac32}}. \] As $q\to\infty$, the correction term tends to $0$, so \[ \sqrt{q^2-\frac q2+\frac32}=q-\frac14+o(1). \] Consequently \[ q+1-\sqrt{q^2-\frac q2+\frac32}=\frac54+o(1), \] and thus \[ h(N_q)-\sqrt{N_q}\ge \frac54+o(1). \] Taking the limsup over prime powers $q$ gives \[ \limsup_{N\to\infty}\left(h(N)-\sqrt N\right)\ge \frac54. \] ∎
6) Adversarial Verification
We check the new argument carefully.- Are the cyclic gaps really ordered differences in the modular sense? Yes. For $0\le i\le q-1$, one has $g_i=d_{i+1}-d_i$ as an integer and hence modulo $v$. For the wrap-around gap, $g_q=d_0+v-d_q$, so modulo $v$ this is $d_0-d_q$. Thus every cyclic gap is indeed a nonzero ordered difference.
- Could two equal cyclic gaps come from the same ordered pair? No. The ordered pairs $(d_{i+1},d_i)$ are distinct as $i$ varies cyclically, so equality of two gaps would give two distinct ordered pairs with the same nonzero difference, contradicting perfectness.
- Is the extremal bound in Lemma Lemma (Largest distinct summand bound) sharp enough? Yes. It is the best possible bound obtainable from only "distinct positive integers with fixed sum", and it is exactly the information needed to improve the Round 5 average-gap argument.
- Is the new ambient length formula correct? From the cut-at-gap step, the final interval length is \[ \operatorname{diam}(B)+1\le (v-G)+1. \] Since $G\ge \lfloor 3q/2\rfloor+1$ and $v=q^2+q+1$, this becomes \[ v-G+1\le q^2+q+1-\left(\left\lfloor\frac{3q}{2}\right\rfloor+1\right)+1 =q^2-\left\lfloor\frac q2\right\rfloor+1. \] So there is no off-by-one error.
- Does injectivity of reduction modulo $v$ hold? Yes, because \[ \operatorname{diam}(B)\le q^2-\left\lfloor \frac q2\right\rfloor < q^2+q+1=v. \] Therefore no two distinct elements of $B$ can be congruent modulo $v$.
- Does the limsup computation really tend to $5/4$? Yes. The parameter \[ N_q=q^2-\left\lfloor \frac q2\right\rfloor+1 \] satisfies \[ N_q=q^2-\frac q2+O(1), \] so \[ \sqrt{N_q}=q-\frac14+o(1), \] which yields \[ q+1-\sqrt{N_q}=\frac54+o(1). \]
7) Final
UNRESOLVED (BUT STRICTLY ADVANCED).Round 7 proves a genuinely stronger explicit lower-bound family than any previous round: \[ h\!\left(q^2-\left\lfloor \frac q2\right\rfloor+1\right)\ge q+1 \qquad(q\text{ a prime power}), \] which strictly improves the Round 5 family $h(q^2+1)\ge q+1$.
As a consequence, \[ \limsup_{N\to\infty}\left(h(N)-\sqrt N\right)\ge \frac54, \] improving the Round 5 lower bound $\ge 1$.
The original Erdős--Turán problem --- whether for every $\varepsilon>0$, \[ h(N)=\sqrt N+O_\varepsilon(N^\varepsilon) \] --- remains open.
8) Completion Estimate
COMPLETION: 80%9) References
- T. F. Bloom (ed.), Erdős Problem #30,
https://www.erdosproblems.com/30, accessed 7 March 2026. - J. Singer, A theorem in finite projective geometry and some applications to number theory, Trans. Amer. Math. Soc. 43 $1938$, 377--385.
gpt pro 5.4 attempt on Math-649
Erdős Problem #30 --- Round 2
1) ROUND-2 OBJECTIVE
I pursue path (A) proof on the upper-bound side. More precisely, I continue the Sidon-set argument from Round 1 and prove the strictly stronger estimate \[ h(N)\le \sqrt{N}+N^{1/4}+1. \] This is the most promising direction because Round 1 had already isolated the main gap as improving the crude bound \[ h(N)\le \frac{1+\sqrt{8N-7}}{2}<\sqrt{2N}+1 \] toward the conjectured form $\sqrt{N}+O_{\varepsilon}(N^{\varepsilon})$.2) Round-1 FOUNDATION USED
I use the following Round 1 results as fixed input:- Round-1 Lemma 30.1: if $S=\{a_1<\dots<a_m\}\subseteq\{1,\dots,N\}$ is Sidon, then all positive differences $a_j-a_i$ ($i<j$) are distinct.
- Round-1 exact computation for $1\le N\le 40$: the values of $h(N)$ were determined exactly by backtracking; I reuse this as a consistency check and rerun a smaller verification below.
3) NEW INSIGHT / TOOL (ROUND-2)
Round 1 counted only how many positive differences a Sidon set has. The new ingredient is to count the sum of a carefully chosen subfamily of differences, \[ a_{i+k}-a_i\qquad (1\le k\le u,\ 1\le i\le m-k). \] There are \[ T=\sum_{k=1}^u (m-k)=um-\frac{u(u+1)}{2} \] such differences. Because they are distinct positive integers, their total sum is at least $1+2+\cdots+T$. On the other hand, for each fixed $k$, the sum telescopes and is at most $kN$. Balancing these two bounds and optimizing $u$ at scale $N^{1/4}$ gives the sharp classical upper bound.4) ATTACK PLAN (ROUND-2)
Round 1 left the following exact gap on Problem #30:Improve the upper bound from $(\sqrt{2}+o(1))\sqrt{N}$ to something of the form $\sqrt{N}+o(\sqrt{N})$.To close a substantial part of that gap, it is enough to prove the following two claims.
- For every integer $u$ with $1\le u\le m-1$, if \[ T:=um-\frac{u(u+1)}{2}, \] then \[ T(T+1)\le Nu(u+1). \]
- Choosing $u=\lceil N^{1/4}\rceil$ converts this quadratic inequality into \[ m<\sqrt{N}+N^{1/4}+1. \]
5) WORK (ROUND-2)
Let \[ S=\{a_1<a_2<\cdots<a_m\}\subseteq \{1,2,\dots,N\} \] be a Sidon set, so $m=|S|$.Fast reality check. I reran an exact backtracking search for $h(N)$ on the range $1\le N\le 40$ and verified that the new bound below holds in every case. Representative exact values are \[ \begin{array}{c|cccc} N&10&20&30&40\\\hline h(N)&4&6&7&8 \end{array} \] while \[ \begin{array}{c|cccc} N&10&20&30&40\\\hline \sqrt{N}+N^{1/4}+1&5.9405\ldots&7.5868\ldots&8.8175\ldots&9.8394\ldots \end{array} \] so there are no small-$N$ violations in this exact check.
Case split. If \[ m\le \lceil N^{1/4}\rceil+1, \] then certainly \[ m\le \lceil N^{1/4}\rceil+1\le N^{1/4}+2\le \sqrt{N}+N^{1/4}+1 \] for every $N\ge 1$, and we are done. Thus the only interesting case is \[ m>\lceil N^{1/4}\rceil+1. \] Set \[ u:=\lceil N^{1/4}\rceil. \] Then $1\le u\le m-1$.
Lemma 30.R2.1 (lower bound for the short-difference sum). Define \[ D_u:=\{a_{i+k}-a_i: 1\le k\le u,\ 1\le i\le m-k\}. \] Then \[ |D_u|=T:=um-\frac{u(u+1)}{2}, \] and \[ \sum_{k=1}^{u}\sum_{i=1}^{m-k}(a_{i+k}-a_i)\ge \frac{T(T+1)}{2}. \]
Proof. By Round-1 Lemma 30.1, all positive differences in a Sidon set are distinct. Therefore all members of $D_u$ are distinct. For each fixed $k$ there are exactly $m-k$ terms of the form $a_{i+k}-a_i$, so \[ |D_u|=\sum_{k=1}^{u}(m-k)=um-\frac{u(u+1)}{2}=T. \] Because $D_u$ consists of $T$ distinct positive integers, its sum is at least the sum of the first $T$ positive integers: \[ \sum_{d\in D_u} d\ge 1+2+\cdots+T=\frac{T(T+1)}{2}. \] But \[ \sum_{d\in D_u} d=\sum_{k=1}^{u}\sum_{i=1}^{m-k}(a_{i+k}-a_i), \] which gives the stated lower bound. $\square$
Lemma 30.R2.2 (telescoping upper bound for the short-difference sum). For each integer $k$ with $1\le k\le u$, \[ \sum_{i=1}^{m-k}(a_{i+k}-a_i)\le kN. \] Consequently, \[ \sum_{k=1}^{u}\sum_{i=1}^{m-k}(a_{i+k}-a_i)\le \frac{Nu(u+1)}{2}. \]
Proof. Fix $k$. Then \[ \sum_{i=1}^{m-k}(a_{i+k}-a_i) =\sum_{i=1}^{m-k} a_{i+k}-\sum_{i=1}^{m-k} a_i =\sum_{j=m-k+1}^{m} a_j-\sum_{j=1}^{k} a_j. \] The first sum has $k$ terms, each at most $N$, so it is at most $kN$. The second sum is nonnegative. Hence \[ \sum_{i=1}^{m-k}(a_{i+k}-a_i)\le kN. \] Summing this inequality over $k=1,2,\dots,u$ gives \[ \sum_{k=1}^{u}\sum_{i=1}^{m-k}(a_{i+k}-a_i) \le \sum_{k=1}^{u} kN =\frac{Nu(u+1)}{2}. \] $\square$
Corollary 30.R2.3 (quadratic inequality). With $T=um-u(u+1)/2$, \[ T(T+1)\le Nu(u+1). \]
Proof. Combine Lemma 30.R2.1 and Lemma 30.R2.2. $\square$
Theorem 30.R2.4 (strict advance: Erdős--Turán upper bound). Every Sidon subset of $\{1,2,\dots,N\}$ has size \[ m<\sqrt{N}+N^{1/4}+1. \] Hence \[ h(N)\le \sqrt{N}+N^{1/4}+1. \]
Proof. From Corollary 30.R2.3 we obtain \[ T^2<T(T+1)\le Nu(u+1). \] Therefore \[ T<\sqrt{Nu(u+1)}. \] Since \[ \left(u+\frac12\right)^2=u(u+1)+\frac14>u(u+1), \] we have \[ \sqrt{u(u+1)}<u+\frac12. \] Thus \[ T<\sqrt{N}\left(u+\frac12\right). \] Substituting $T=um-u(u+1)/2$ yields \[ um-\frac{u(u+1)}{2}<\sqrt{N}\left(u+\frac12\right). \] Divide by $u$: \[ m<\sqrt{N}+\frac{\sqrt{N}}{2u}+\frac{u+1}{2}. \] Now use $u=\lceil N^{1/4}\rceil$. Since $u\ge N^{1/4}$, \[ \frac{\sqrt{N}}{2u}\le \frac{N^{1/4}}{2}. \] Since $u\le N^{1/4}+1$, \[ \frac{u+1}{2}\le \frac{N^{1/4}+2}{2}=\frac{N^{1/4}}{2}+1. \] Hence \[ m<\sqrt{N}+\frac{N^{1/4}}{2}+\frac{N^{1/4}}{2}+1=\sqrt{N}+N^{1/4}+1. \] This proves the theorem. $\square$
6) ADVERSARIAL VERIFICATION
I checked the new argument against the main failure modes.- Hidden use of an old proof. The only Round 1 fact reused is the distinctness of positive differences in a Sidon set. I cite that result explicitly and do not re-prove it.
- Range of $u$. The family $a_{i+k}-a_i$ is only defined for $k\le m-1$. I handled this by a case split: if $m\le \lceil N^{1/4}\rceil+1$, the target inequality is immediate; otherwise $u=\lceil N^{1/4}\rceil$ satisfies $u\le m-1$.
- Telescoping identity. For fixed $k$, \[ \sum_{i=1}^{m-k}(a_{i+k}-a_i)=\sum_{j=m-k+1}^{m} a_j-\sum_{j=1}^{k} a_j, \] so no term has been dropped incorrectly. The upper bound $\le kN$ is valid because the subtracted sum is nonnegative.
- Small $N$. The preliminary case split covers all small values automatically. The exact computation for $N\le 40$ gives an independent sanity check.
- Quantifiers. The theorem is proved for an arbitrary Sidon set $S\subseteq\{1,\dots,N\}$, so the conclusion for $h(N)$ follows immediately.
7) FINAL
UNRESOLVED (BUT STRICTLY ADVANCED)This round proves the classical bound \[ h(N)\le \sqrt{N}+N^{1/4}+1, \] which is a strict improvement over the Round 1 estimate \[ h(N)\le \frac{1+\sqrt{8N-7}}{2}<\sqrt{2N}+1. \] So the investigation has advanced substantially on the upper-bound side. However, the original open question---whether the error term can be sharpened all the way to $O_{\varepsilon}(N^{\varepsilon})$ for every $\varepsilon>0$---remains open.
8) COMPLETION ESTIMATE (MANDATORY)
COMPLETION: 62%9) REFERENCES
No external references were used. I relied only on the carried-over Round 1 file already present in the workspace (specifically its Problem #30 section) and on a local exact Python backtracking computation for $1\le N\le 40$.10) OUTPUT FORMAT
The problem number identified for this continuation is $x=30$, so this export is the requested30_solutions.tex.GPT 6 Astra Ultra attempt on Math-649
OBJECTIVE AND REVIEW OF ALL VERSIONS
Erdős #30; independent attempt, 2026-09-23. The target is $h(N)=\sqrt N+O_\varepsilon(N^\varepsilon)$ for maximum Sidon subsets of $[N]$. I read30.tex and 30_v2.tex completely. The former proves the classical quarter-power error; the latter gives a valid distinct-gap refinement of a Singer embedding, conditional on the standard Singer theorem. Here I sharpen the finite short-difference inequality rather than claim another constant-size subsequence gain solves the asymptotic problem. WORK: KEEPING THE ENDPOINT LOSSES
For $1\le a_1<\cdots<a_m\le N$ with distinct positive differences and $1\le u<m$, put $T=um-u(u+1)/2$. The supplied telescoping argument can retain the spacing of the endpoints: \[ \sum_{i=1}^{m-k}(a_{i+k}-a_i) =\sum_{j=m-k+1}^m a_j-\sum_{j=1}^k a_j \le kN-k^2. \] Indeed the first sum is at most $kN-k(k-1)/2$ and the second at least $k(k+1)/2$. Distinctness gives a lower bound $T(T+1)/2$ on the combined difference sum. Consequently \[ T(T+1)\le u(u+1)\left(N-\frac{2u+1}{3}\right). \] Equivalently, every such $m$ satisfies the explicit finite bound \[ m\le\frac{u+1}{2}+ \frac{\sqrt{1+4u(u+1)(N-(2u+1)/3)}-1}{2u} \quad(1\le u<m). \] This gives a direct integer certificate for ruling out proposed small Sidon configurations, retaining information discarded by the coarser $kN$ estimate.ADVERSARIAL VERIFICATION AND REMAINING GAP
The telescoping identity remains valid even when its two endpoint blocks overlap; shared terms cancel. The inequality uses the strong Sidon convention including doubled summands, exactly the convention that makes positive differences distinct. Optimizing still takes $u$ of order $N^{1/4}$ and leaves the same error exponent. No improved exponent, new literature record, or new global lower bound has been established. A constant improvement of a lower-bound subsequence is consistent with every $O_\varepsilon(N^\varepsilon)$ conjecture.SOURCES CHECKED
Both local versions listed above. Official indexed entry https://www.erdosproblems.com/30, checked 2026-09-23, records stronger known quarter-power constants; the elementary finite refinement here is not advertised as surpassing them.FINAL
UNRESOLVED. A stronger finite necessary inequality is proved, while the requested subpower error remains out of reach.COMPLETION ESTIMATE
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