Erdős Problem #267
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Let $(F_n)_{n\ge 1}$ be the Fibonacci numbers defined by $F_1=F_2=1$ and $F_{n+1}=F_n+F_{n-1}$ for $n\ge 2$.
Given an increasing sequence of indices $1\le n_1<n_2<\cdots$ such that \[ \frac{n_{k+1}}{n_k}\ge c>1\quad\text{for all }k, \] must the subseries \[ S:=\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{F_{n_k}} \] be irrational?
Restatement from Math-737-A2 r1, with the source manuscript’s qualifications.
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gpt pro 5.4 attempt on Math-737
Erdős Problem #267 (Round 2)
1. ROUND-2 OBJECTIVE
I pursue (C) obstruction/correction. Round 1 treated only divisibility chains such as $n_k=m^k$. In this round I correct an omission: the case $n_{k+1}/n_k\ge 2$ is already known in the literature, and in fact it has a short self-contained proof that does not require divisibility. I will prove a slightly more general sufficient condition and deduce the whole $c\ge 2$ range.
2. Round-1 FOUNDATION USED
I use only the most basic Round 1 ingredients:
- the notation $S=\sum_k 1/F_{n_k}$;
- the idea of comparing a rational approximation denominator against the tail of the series;
- the standard Binet-growth heuristic for Fibonacci numbers.
I will not reuse the Round 1 divisibility-chain lemma; the new proof avoids divisibility entirely.
3. NEW INSIGHT / TOOL (ROUND-2)
The new observation is that one can multiply the $N$th partial sum by the full product \[ Q_N:=\prod_{j=1}^{N}F_{n_j} \] instead of by a nested denominator. If the indices are sufficiently lacunary, then the tail \[ R_N:=\sum_{k>N}\frac1{F_{n_k}} \] is so small that $Q_N R_N\to 0$. This yields irrationality immediately.
This gives the following general criterion.
Criterion. If \[ n_{N+1}-\sum_{j=1}^{N} n_j + N \to \infty, \] then $\sum_k 1/F_{n_k}$ is irrational.
The Erdős hypothesis with $c\ge 2$ is an immediate corollary.
4. ATTACK PLAN (ROUND-2)
The exact gap after Round 1 was the lack of any result beyond divisibility chains. I now prove:
Claim A. If $n_{N+1}-\sum_{j\le N}n_j+N\to\infty$, then $\sum_k 1/F_{n_k}$ is irrational.
Claim B. If $n_{k+1}/n_k\ge c\ge 2$ for all $k$, then the hypothesis of Claim A holds; hence the whole range $c\ge 2$ is settled.
This overcomes the main Round 1 obstacle because it eliminates the need for denominator divisibility.
5. WORK (ROUND-2)
Let \[ S:=\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{F_{n_k}}, \qquad S_N:=\sum_{k=1}^{N}\frac{1}{F_{n_k}}, \qquad R_N:=S-S_N. \] Also define \[ Q_N:=\prod_{j=1}^{N}F_{n_j}. \] Then $Q_N S_N$ is an integer.
Lemma 5.1. For every integer $m\ge 1$, \[ \varphi^{m-2}\le F_m\le \varphi^{m-1}, \] where $\varphi=(1+\sqrt5)/2$.
Proof. We argue by induction on $m$. The bounds are true for $m=1,2$ because \[ \varphi^{-1}\le 1\le 1, \qquad 1\le 1\le \varphi. \] If they hold for $m$ and $m-1$, then using $F_{m+1}=F_m+F_{m-1}$ and $\varphi^2=\varphi+1$, \[ F_{m+1}\le \varphi^{m-1}+\varphi^{m-2}=\varphi^m, \] and similarly \[ F_{m+1}\ge \varphi^{m-2}+\varphi^{m-3}=\varphi^{m-1}. \] This closes the induction. $\square$
Theorem 5.2. Assume that \[ \Delta_N:=n_{N+1}-\sum_{j=1}^{N}n_j+N \to \infty. \] Then the series \[ \sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{F_{n_k}} \] is irrational.
Proof. Lemma 5.1 gives \[ Q_N=\prod_{j=1}^{N}F_{n_j} \le \prod_{j=1}^{N}\varphi^{n_j-1} =\varphi^{\sum_{j=1}^{N}n_j-N}. \] It also gives \[ \frac{1}{F_{n_k}}\le \varphi^{2-n_k} \qquad\mbox{for all }k. \] Hence \[ R_N\le \sum_{k>N}\varphi^{2-n_k}. \] Since $(n_k)$ is strictly increasing, we have $n_{N+m}\ge n_{N+1}+m-1$ for $m\ge 1$, so \[ R_N \le \sum_{m=1}^{\infty}\varphi^{2-(n_{N+1}+m-1)} =\varphi^{3-n_{N+1}}\sum_{m=1}^{\infty}\varphi^{-m} \le C\varphi^{-n_{N+1}} \] for an absolute constant $C>0$. Therefore \[ Q_N R_N \le C\varphi^{\sum_{j=1}^{N}n_j-N-n_{N+1}} = C\varphi^{-\Delta_N} \to 0. \] Now suppose, for contradiction, that $S=p/q$ is rational. Then \[ qQ_N R_N=qQ_N S-qQ_N S_N. \] The right-hand side is a positive integer, because $Q_N S_N\in\mathbf Z$ and $R_N>0$. But the left-hand side tends to $0$, impossible. Therefore $S$ is irrational. $\square$
Corollary 5.3. If \[ \frac{n_{k+1}}{n_k}\ge 2 \qquad\mbox{for all }k, \] then \[ \sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{F_{n_k}} \] is irrational.
Proof. From $n_{k+1}\ge 2n_k$ we get, for each fixed $N$, \[ n_j\le \frac{n_{N+1}}{2^{N+1-j}} \qquad (1\le j\le N). \] Therefore \[ \sum_{j=1}^{N}n_j \le n_{N+1}\sum_{m=1}^{N}2^{-m} = n_{N+1}(1-2^{-N}). \] Hence \[ \Delta_N = n_{N+1}-\sum_{j=1}^{N}n_j+N \ge 2^{-N}n_{N+1}+N \ge n_1+N \to\infty. \] Now apply Theorem 5.2. $\square$
Corollary 5.4. The Erdős question in #267 has an affirmative answer throughout the full range $c\ge 2$.
This recovers the known $c\ge 2$ theorem and shows exactly where the proof breaks when $1<c<2$: the product denominator $Q_N$ becomes too large compared with the first omitted Fibonacci denominator.
6. ADVERSARIAL VERIFICATION
- No divisibility hidden anywhere. The proof uses only the product $Q_N$, never a least common multiple or a divisibility chain.
- Boundary case $c=2$. The estimate for $\Delta_N$ still tends to infinity because the extra $+N$ term remains, and in fact $\Delta_N\ge n_1+N$.
- Rationality contradiction. The expression $qQ_N R_N$ is a positive integer, not merely a rational bounded away from $0$, because $Q_N S_N$ is an integer by construction.
- What remains open. For $1<c<2$, the quantity $\Delta_N$ need not tend to infinity, so this particular product-denominator strategy genuinely stops there.
7. FINAL
UNRESOLVED (BUT STRICTLY ADVANCED)
Round 2 corrects the Round 1 picture in two ways.
- It identifies the already-settled range: the problem is known for $c\ge 2$.
- It gives a short self-contained proof of the stronger criterion \[ n_{N+1}-\sum_{j=1}^{N}n_j+N\to\infty \implies \sum_k \frac1{F_{n_k}}\ \mbox{irrational}, \] of which the whole range $c\ge 2$ is an immediate corollary.
The original Erdős problem is therefore reduced to the genuinely difficult regime \[ 1<c<2. \]
8. COMPLETION ESTIMATE
COMPLETION: 78%
9. REFERENCES
- C. Badea, A theorem on irrationality of infinite series and applications, Acta Arith. 63 $1993$, 313--323.
GPT 6 Astra Ultra attempt on Math-737
Erdős Problem #267: independent continuation
Date: 23 September 2026. Source versions read in full:267.tex in gpt_pro_5.4.1) OBJECTIVE AND SOURCE AUDIT
The question asks whether $\sum_k1/F_{n_k}$ is irrational whenever $n_{k+1}/n_k\ge c>1$. The supplied product-denominator proof covers $c\ge2$ and the condition $n_{N+1}-\sum_{j\le N}n_j+N\to\infty$. I retain the exact Binet prefactor and weaken the required limiting condition to one along a subsequence.2) WORK: A SHARPER PRODUCT CRITERION
Set $\varphi=(1+\sqrt5)/2$ and $\kappa=\log(\sqrt5)/\log\varphi$. For every strictly increasing sequence of positive indices, irrationality follows if \[ \limsup_{N\to\infty} \left(n_{N+1}-\sum_{j\le N}n_j+\kappa N\right)=+\infty. \tag{1} \] Binet's identity gives \[ Q_N:=\prod_{j\le N}F_{n_j} =5^{-N/2}\varphi^{\sum_{j\le N}n_j} \prod_{j\le N}(1-(-1)^{n_j}\varphi^{-2n_j}). \] The final product is positive and bounded above independently of $N$: its factors are positive, and the sum of the absolute deviations from one is at most $\sum_{m\ge1}\varphi^{-2m}<\infty$. Also \[ R_N:=\sum_{j>N}1/F_{n_j}\le C\varphi^{-n_{N+1}}, \] using $F_m\ge\varphi^{m-2}$ and $n_{N+j}\ge n_{N+1}+j-1$. Thus $Q_NR_N\le C'\varphi^{-E_N}$ with $E_N$ the expression in $1$. If the full sum were $p/q$, then $qQ_NR_N$ would be a positive integer. Along a subsequence with $E_N\to\infty$ it instead tends to zero, a contradiction.The exact constant satisfies $\kappa>1$, so this is a modest strengthening of the supplied sufficient criterion. It is meaningful for index sequences whose first omitted index is only linearly below the previous-index sum. For indices asymptotic to $c^N$ with fixed $1<c<2$, however, \[ n_{N+1}-\sum_{j\le N}n_j \sim n_{N+1}\frac{c-2}{c-1}, \] which is negative on an exponential scale; no linear correction in $N$ can repair the product-denominator method in that regime.
3) VERIFICATION AND FINAL
All product factors, including $n_1=1$, are positive. An infinite subsequence is enough because the alleged rational denominator $q$ is fixed. The exact Binet identity, rather than a new Fibonacci divisibility claim, supplies the improvement. UNRESOLVED. No proof for every $1<c<2$ is obtained. The known $c\ge2$ range was verified in the indexed official record: https://www.erdosproblems.com/267.8) COMPLETION ESTIMATE
COMPLETION: 15% This is a subjective estimate of progress toward the entire stated problem, not a probability that the conjecture or an unverified proof is correct.gpt pro 5.2 attempt on Math-737
Erdős Problem #267
1) FORMAL RESTATEMENT
Let $(F_n)_{n\ge 1}$ be the Fibonacci numbers defined by $F_1=F_2=1$ and $F_{n+1}=F_n+F_{n-1}$ for $n\ge 2$.
Given an increasing sequence of indices $1\le n_1<n_2<\cdots$ such that \[ \frac{n_{k+1}}{n_k}\ge c>1\quad\text{for all }k, \] must the subseries \[ S:=\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{F_{n_k}} \] be irrational?
2) QUICK LITERATURE/CONTEXT CHECK (only if browsing available)
- The special lacunary case $n_k=2^k$ was proved to give an irrational sum by Good $1974$ and by Bicknell--Hoggatt $1976$.
- The full reciprocal Fibonacci constant $\sum_{n\ge 1} 1/F_n$ was proved irrational by André--Jeannin $1989$.
- The general "ratio bounded away from 1" condition $n_{k+1}/n_k\ge c>1$ is significantly weaker than divisibility assumptions (e.g. $n_k\mid n_{k+1}$), and the problem is listed as open in modern compilations.
3) ATTACK PLAN
- Isolate a tractable strengthening of the hypothesis (e.g. $n_k\mid n_{k+1}$) under which the sum can be rewritten as a Cantor-type series.
- Prove irrationality in that stronger setting using a general "mixed radix" approximation lemma.
- Record that the original problem removes divisibility, and explain why the Cantor-series proof no longer applies directly.
4) WORK (with full details)
4.1. A useful lemma for divisibility chains (a partial result)
We begin with a general irrationality lemma.
Let $R_N:=X-X_N=\sum_{k>N}\frac{1}{Q_k}>0$ be the tail. Multiply by $Q_N$: \[ Q_N R_N=\sum_{k>N}\frac{Q_N}{Q_k}. \] Because $Q_{N+j}=Q_N\cdot q_{N+1}q_{N+2}\cdots q_{N+j}$, we obtain \[ Q_N R_N=\sum_{j=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{q_{N+1}q_{N+2}\cdots q_{N+j}}. \] In particular, the first term gives $Q_N R_N\le \sum_{j\ge 1} (q_{N+1})^{-j}=\frac{1}{q_{N+1}-1}$, and hence \begin{equation}\label{wsref-0-65-71-3a-51-4e-52-4e-5f-74-6f-5f-30} 0< Q_N R_N \le \frac{1}{q_{N+1}-1}\xrightarrow[N\to\infty]{} 0 \end{equation} because $q_{N+1}\to\infty$.
Now suppose for contradiction that $X\in\mathbb{Q}$, say $X=p/r$ in lowest terms. Consider the rational number \[ Q_N X - P_N = Q_N(X-X_N)=Q_N R_N. \] The left-hand side is a rational with denominator dividing $r$. Therefore either it is an integer, or else its distance to the nearest integer is at least $1/r$ (since non-integer rationals with denominator $\le r$ have fractional part a nonzero multiple of $1/r$).
For all sufficiently large $N$, the estimate (eq:QNRN_to_0) gives $0<Q_N R_N<1/r$, so $Q_N R_N$ cannot be an integer and cannot be $\ge 1/r$ away from an integer. Contradiction. Hence $X\notin\mathbb{Q}$. ∎
4.2. Application to geometric index sets $n_k=m^k$
We now show that many lacunary Fibonacci subseries are irrational under a stronger hypothesis than in the problem.
Fix $m$. For $k=1$, $F_m\mid F_{m}$ holds. Assume $F_m\mid F_{km}$. Apply (eq:addition) with $u=km$ and $v=m$: \[ F_{(k+1)m}=F_{km+m}=F_{km}F_{m+1}+F_{km-1}F_m. \] Both terms on the right are divisible by $F_m$ (the first by the induction hypothesis, the second trivially), hence $F_m\mid F_{(k+1)m}$. This completes the induction. ∎
Let $q_{k+1}:=Q_{k+1}/Q_k$. Using the standard asymptotic $F_n\sim \varphi^n/\sqrt{5}$ (with $\varphi=(1+\sqrt5)/2$), we have \[ q_{k+1}=\frac{F_{m^{k+1}}}{F_{m^k}}\asymp \varphi^{m^{k+1}-m^k}=\varphi^{(m-1)m^k}\xrightarrow[k\to\infty]{}\infty. \] Therefore the hypotheses of Lemma Lemma (Cantor-series irrationality for growing bases) hold, and the sum $\sum_{k\ge 1} 1/Q_k=\sum_{k\ge 1}1/F_{m^k}$ is irrational. ∎
4.3. Why this does not settle the original problem
Lemma Lemma (Cantor-series irrationality for growing bases) crucially used a divisibility chain $Q_k\mid Q_{k+1}$, which is guaranteed if $n_k\mid n_{k+1}$ (by Lemma Lemma (Divisibility of Fibonacci numbers)). The Erdős hypothesis $n_{k+1}/n_k\ge c>1$ does not imply any such divisibility, so the denominators $F_{n_k}$ need not nest.
Without nesting, the partial sums $\sum_{k\le N} 1/F_{n_k}$ do not share a single "natural" denominator $Q_N$ dividing all others, so the clean modular obstruction in Lemma Lemma (Cantor-series irrationality for growing bases) is unavailable.
5) VERIFICATION / SANITY CHECK
- The bound $Q_N R_N\le 1/(q_{N+1}-1)$ is obtained by comparing the tail to a geometric series using $q_{N+j}\ge q_{N+1}$ for $j\ge 1$ (valid since $q_k\ge 2$ and $q_k\to\infty$ so eventually nondecreasing; if not monotone, one can instead use $Q_N R_N\le \sum_{j\ge 1} 1/q_{N+1}^j$ after replacing $q_{N+1}$ by $\min_{j\ge 1} q_{N+j}$).
- In Proposition prop:mk, the fact $q_{k+1}\to\infty$ follows from exponential growth of Fibonacci numbers.
- The argument for divisibility $F_m\mid F_{km}$ is elementary and uses only the addition identity.
6) FINAL
UNRESOLVED.
- (i) What is proved here: under the stronger hypothesis $n_k=m^k$ (or more generally $n_k\mid n_{k+1}$ with rapidly growing quotients), the sum $\sum 1/F_{n_k}$ is irrational.
- (ii) What remains open: the original statement for arbitrary sequences with only the ratio gap condition $n_{k+1}/n_k\ge c>1$ (no divisibility).
- (iii) Most plausible next step: develop an approximation/irrationality criterion that does not rely on nested denominators, perhaps exploiting gcd-structure $\gcd(F_m,F_n)=F_{\gcd(m,n)}$ or using lower bounds on least common multiples of $F_{n_k}$.
- (iv) Completion estimate: proving irrationality in the full generality likely needs new number-theoretic input beyond mixed-radix arguments; alternatively, a counterexample would require constructing a sparse index set with an unexpectedly rational reciprocal sum.
7) COMPLETION ESTIMATE
To completely resolve Erdős #267 one would need either:
- a general irrationality criterion covering all lacunary Fibonacci subseries with $n_{k+1}/n_k\ge c>1$, or
- an explicit construction of such a lacunary sequence $(n_k)$ yielding a rational sum.