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Erdős Problem #241

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Statement

Fix $N\in \mathbb{N}$. Call a set $A\subseteq\{1,2,\dots,N\}$ $B_3$-distinct if whenever \[ a_1+a_2+a_3=b_1+b_2+b_3\qquad(a_i,b_j\in A) \] then the multisets $\{a_1,a_2,a_3\}$ and $\{b_1,b_2,b_3\}$ are equal (equivalently, the ordered triples differ only by a permutation). Let \[ f(N):=\max\left\{|A|:A\subseteq\{1,\dots,N\}\text{ is $B_3$-distinct}\right\}. \] The question is whether \[ \frac{f(N)}{N^{1/3}}\to 1\qquad\text{as }N\to\infty, \] i.e. $f(N)\sim N^{1/3}$.

Restatement from Math-726-A2 r1, with the source manuscript’s qualifications.

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Math-726-A3 · No claim recorded · LLM-generated · gpt pro 5.4 ·

gpt pro 5.4 attempt on Math-726

Erdős Problem #241

1) ROUND-2 OBJECTIVE

I am pursuing (C) obstruction/correction. The Round-1 file contained a genuine gap: it produced the Bose--Chowla lower bound only on the subsequence $N=q^3-1$ and then informally suggested a passage to all $N$ without proving it. The most promising Round-2 task is therefore to repair that gap and globalize the lower bound to all large $N$.

2) Round-1 FOUNDATION USED

I use the following Round-1 results without re-proving them.
  1. The counting upper bound: if $A\subseteq\{1,\dots,N\}$ is $B_3$-distinct and $|A|=m$, then \[ \frac{(m+2)(m+1)m}{6}\le 3N. \] In particular $f(N)\le (18N)^{1/3}+O(1)$.
  2. The Bose--Chowla construction for $h=3$: for every prime power $q$ there exists a $B_3$-distinct set of size $q$ inside $\{1,\dots,q^3-1\}$. Equivalently, \[ f(q^3-1)\ge q. \]
  3. Monotonicity of $f$: if $M\le N$, then $f(M)\le f(N)$.

3) NEW INSIGHT / TOOL (ROUND-2)

The new ingredient is a rigorous globalization step: combine the prime-power construction with the prime number theorem to find, for every large $N$, a prime $p\le (N+1)^{1/3}$ with $p=(1-o(1))(N+1)^{1/3}$. Monotonicity then lifts the Bose--Chowla construction from $p^3-1$ up to $N$.

4) ATTACK PLAN (ROUND-2)

The exact Round-1 gap was this: the lower bound $f(q^3-1)\ge q$ was proved only on a sparse subsequence, whereas the target asymptotic concerns every $N$. To close that gap, I will:
  1. make monotonicity explicit;
  2. choose a prime $p$ just below $(N+1)^{1/3}$;
  3. embed the Bose--Chowla set at scale $p$ into $\{1,\dots,N\}$;
  4. conclude the sharp lower-bound half \[ f(N)\ge (1-o(1))N^{1/3} \] for all large $N$.
This repairs the Round-1 overclaim and isolates the only remaining gap: the sharp upper constant.

5) WORK (ROUND-2)

Proposition 5.1 (monotonicity).
If $M\le N$, then $f(M)\le f(N)$.

Proof. Any $B_3$-distinct set $A\subseteq\{1,\dots,M\}$ is also a subset of $\{1,\dots,N\}$, so the maximal size over $\{1,\dots,N\}$ is at least the maximal size over $\{1,\dots,M\}$.

Theorem 5.2 (global Bose--Chowla lower bound).
For every $\varepsilon>0$ there exists $N_0(\varepsilon)$ such that for all $N\ge N_0(\varepsilon)$, \[ f(N)\ge (1-\varepsilon)N^{1/3}. \] Equivalently, \[ f(N)\ge (1-o(1))N^{1/3} \qquad (N\to\infty). \]

Proof. Fix $\varepsilon>0$, and let \[ x:=(N+1)^{1/3}. \] By the prime number theorem, for all sufficiently large $x$ there exists a prime $p$ with \[ (1-\varepsilon)x\le p\le x. \] For such a prime $p$, Round-1 gives a $B_3$-distinct set of size $p$ inside $\{1,\dots,p^3-1\}$, so \[ f(p^3-1)\ge p. \] Since $p\le x=(N+1)^{1/3}$, we have $p^3-1\le N$. Hence, by monotonicity, \[ f(N)\ge f(p^3-1)\ge p\ge (1-\varepsilon)x>(1-\varepsilon)N^{1/3}. \] This proves the claim.

Corollary 5.3 (the corrected Round-1 theorem).
The lower-bound half of the conjectured asymptotic is true: \[ \liminf_{N\to\infty}\frac{f(N)}{N^{1/3}}\ge 1. \] Together with the literature upper bound recorded in Round-1, \[ f(N)\le \left(\left(\frac{7}{2}\right)^{1/3}+o(1)\right)N^{1/3}, \] we obtain the rigorous bracket \[ 1\le \liminf_{N\to\infty}\frac{f(N)}{N^{1/3}} \le \limsup_{N\to\infty}\frac{f(N)}{N^{1/3}} \le \left(\frac{7}{2}\right)^{1/3}. \] Thus the only unresolved issue is the sharp upper constant.

6) ADVERSARIAL VERIFICATION

  1. Was the Round-1 gap real? Yes. A lower bound on the subsequence $N=q^3-1$ does not by itself imply a lower bound for every $N$. The new proof fixes exactly that point.
  2. Does the Bose--Chowla set really live in $\{1,\dots,p^3-1\}$? Round-1 produced it in $\{0,\dots,p^3-2\}$; translating by $+1$ preserves triple-sum uniqueness because every triple sum increases by exactly $3$.
  3. Is the prime-selection step strong enough? Yes. Any asymptotic prime existence statement of the form "there is a prime in $[(1-\varepsilon)x,x]$ for all large $x$" is sufficient, and this is a standard consequence of the prime number theorem.
  4. Any hidden use of the conjecture? No. The argument uses only Round-1's finite-field construction, monotonicity, and primes near $x$.

7) FINAL

UNRESOLVED (BUT STRICTLY ADVANCED).

The Round-1 lower-bound gap has now been closed rigorously: one really does have \[ f(N)\ge (1-o(1))N^{1/3} \] for all large $N$, not merely along a subsequence. So the unresolved content of Problem #241 is now completely concentrated in the upper bound, namely whether \[ f(N)\le (1+o(1))N^{1/3}. \]

8) COMPLETION ESTIMATE

COMPLETION: 55%

9) REFERENCES

  1. T. F. Bloom, Erdős Problem #241, current version page on erdosproblems.com, accessed 2026-03-07.
  2. Prime number theorem (standard).

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Math-726-A1 · No claim recorded · LLM-generated · gpt 6 astra ultra ·

GPT 6 Astra Ultra attempt on Math-726

Erdős Problem #241: independent continuation

Date: 2026-09-23. Research attempt; no claim of a new published result.

1) TARGET AND SOURCE AUDIT

If $f(N)$ is the largest cardinality of a $B_3$-set in $[1,N]$, is $f(N)\sim N^{1/3}$?

All supplied versions considered: 241.tex. The source supplies the known asymptotically sharp lower bound and quotes a stronger literature upper constant. I give an independent elementary upper-bound audit using mixed sums; this does not improve that quoted literature constant.

2) WORK

Let $A\subset[1,N]$ be $B_3$ and $m=|A|$. Consider all expressions $a+b-c$ with $a\le b$ in $A$ and $c\in A\setminus\{a,b\}$. They are pairwise distinct. Indeed an equality gives \[ a+b+f=d+e+c. \] Triple-sum uniqueness gives equality of the multisets $\{a,b,f\}$ and $\{d,e,c\}$. Since $c$ is neither $a$ nor $b$, it must equal $f$; cancellation then gives $\{a,b\}=\{d,e\}$. There are $m\binom m2=m^2(m-1)/2$ such expressions: fix $c$, then choose a two-element multiset from the remaining $m-1$ elements. They all lie in $[2-N,2N-1]$.

Moreover none belongs to $A$. If $a+b-c=t\in A$, then $a+b=c+t$, and $B_3$ implies $B_2$ by adding any fixed member of $A$ to both sides. Thus $\{a,b\}=\{c,t\}$, impossible. Consequently \[ \frac{m^2(m-1)}2+m\le3N-2, \] which implies $m\le(6N)^{1/3}+O(1)$. This improves the most naive triple-counting constant $18^{1/3}$, but is weaker than the literature constant $(7/2)^{1/3}$ already quoted in the source.

3) ADVERSARIAL VERIFICATION

Repeated $a=b$ is allowed and included in the count; $c$ is deliberately excluded from that multiset. Without the exclusion, the map has many collisions. All expressions need not be positive, so the ambient interval must have length about $3N$, not $N$.

4) FINAL

UNRESOLVED. The gap from the available upper constant to one is untouched. No sharp asymptotic or novelty claim follows from this elementary mixed-sum argument.

5) SOURCES CHECKED

No external theorem is used in the new argument. The supplied source was read in full; the saved Tao status snapshot is dated 2026-09-22.

6) COMPLETION ESTIMATE

This is a conservative subjective measure of progress toward the original question, not a probability of correctness or a claim that the remaining work is routine. COMPLETION: 12%

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Math-726-A2 · No claim recorded · LLM-generated · gpt pro 5.2 ·

gpt pro 5.2 attempt on Math-726

Problem #241

FORMAL RESTATEMENT

Fix $N\in \mathbb{N}$. Call a set $A\subseteq\{1,2,\dots,N\}$ $B_3$-distinct if whenever \[ a_1+a_2+a_3=b_1+b_2+b_3\qquad(a_i,b_j\in A) \] then the multisets $\{a_1,a_2,a_3\}$ and $\{b_1,b_2,b_3\}$ are equal (equivalently, the ordered triples differ only by a permutation). Let \[ f(N):=\max\left\{|A|:A\subseteq\{1,\dots,N\}\text{ is $B_3$-distinct}\right\}. \] The question is whether \[ \frac{f(N)}{N^{1/3}}\to 1\qquad\text{as }N\to\infty, \] i.e. $f(N)\sim N^{1/3}$.

QUICK LITERATURE/CONTEXT CHECK

The prompt already records the main classical bounds:
  • Bose--Chowla $1962$ give constructions with $|A|=(1+o(1))N^{1/3}$.
  • Green $2001$ gives the best recorded upper bound $f(N)\le ((7/2)^{1/3}+o(1))N^{1/3}$.
This is the $r=3$ case of the broader Bose--Chowla heuristic that $r$-fold sum distinctness should permit $|A|\sim N^{1/r}$.

ATTACK PLAN

Proof track.
  • Prove the "trivial" counting upper bound $f(N)=O(N^{1/3})$ by pigeonhole on triple sums.
  • Give a self-contained Bose--Chowla type construction of $B_3$-distinct sets of size $\gg N^{1/3}$ (over prime powers), yielding $f(N)=\Omega(N^{1/3})$ and hence $f(N)=\Theta(N^{1/3})$.
  • Identify the remaining gap: improving the constant and/or proving the limiting constant is $1$.
Disproof track.
  • Try to build sets beating constant $1$ by explicit constructions or by probabilistic methods; a sustained improvement beyond $N^{1/3}$ with constant $>1$ would refute $\sim N^{1/3}$.
  • Search small $N$ for evidence of constants $>1$ or structural patterns.

WORK

Lemma (Trivial counting upper bound): If $A\subseteq\{1,\dots,N\}$ is $B_3$-distinct and $|A|=m$, then \[ \binom{m+2}{3}\le 3N. \] In particular $m^3\le 18N$, so $f(N)\le \lfloor (18N)^{1/3}\rfloor$.
Proof: Consider the collection of unordered triples with repetition from $A$: \[ T:=\{(a,b,c)\in A^3: a\le b\le c\}. \] The number of such triples is the number of $3$-multisets chosen from $m$ elements, namely $|T|=\binom{m+2}{3}$. By $B_3$-distinctness, the map \[ T\to \mathbb{Z},\qquad (a,b,c)\mapsto a+b+c \] is injective. Every sum lies in $[3,3N]$, which contains at most $3N$ integers. Hence $|T|\le 3N$.

For the crude numeric bound, note $ \binom{m+2}{3}=\frac{m(m+1)(m+2)}{6}\ge \frac{m^3}{6}, $ so $m^3/6\le 3N$, i.e. $m^3\le 18N$. ∎

Proposition (Bose--Chowla type lower bound for $h=3$): Let $q$ be a prime power. Then there exists a $B_3$-distinct set \[ A\subseteq \{0,1,\dots,q^3-2\} \] with $|A|=q$. Consequently, for $N=q^3-1$ one has $f(N)\ge q$.
Proof: Let $\mathbb{F}_{q}$ be the finite field with $q$ elements, and let $\mathbb{F}_{q^3}$ be its degree-$3$ extension. Choose an element $\theta\in\mathbb{F}_{q^3}$ of degree $3$ over $\mathbb{F}_q$, i.e. $\mathbb{F}_{q^3}=\mathbb{F}_q(\theta)$ and the minimal polynomial of $\theta$ over $\mathbb{F}_q$ has degree $3$.

The multiplicative group $\mathbb{F}_{q^3}^*$ is cyclic of order $q^3-1$; fix a generator $g\in\mathbb{F}_{q^3}^*$. For each $c\in\mathbb{F}_q$, the element $\theta+c$ is nonzero (since $\theta\notin\mathbb{F}_q$), so we can write uniquely \[ \theta+c=g^{a_c} \qquad\text{for some }a_c\in\{0,1,\dots,q^3-2\}. \] Define $A:=\{a_c:c\in\mathbb{F}_q\}\subseteq\{0,\dots,q^3-2\}$. Then $|A|=q$.

We claim $A$ is $B_3$-distinct. Suppose \[ a_{c_1}+a_{c_2}+a_{c_3}\equiv a_{d_1}+a_{d_2}+a_{d_3}\pmod{q^3-1} \] for $c_i,d_j\in\mathbb{F}_q$. Exponentiating by $g$ gives an equality in $\mathbb{F}_{q^3}^*$: \[ (\theta+c_1)(\theta+c_2)(\theta+c_3)=(\theta+d_1)(\theta+d_2)(\theta+d_3). \] Consider the polynomial in $\mathbb{F}_q[t]$ \[ P(t):=\prod_{i=1}^3(t+c_i)-\prod_{j=1}^3(t+d_j). \] By the displayed equality, $P(\theta)=0$ in $\mathbb{F}_{q^3}$. The leading terms $t^3$ cancel, so $\deg P\le 2$. Since $\theta$ has degree $3$ over $\mathbb{F}_q$, no nonzero polynomial of degree at most $2$ with coefficients in $\mathbb{F}_q$ can vanish at $\theta$. Therefore $P$ must be the zero polynomial, so \[ \prod_{i=1}^3(t+c_i)=\prod_{j=1}^3(t+d_j) \qquad\text{in }\mathbb{F}_q[t]. \] Unique factorization in $\mathbb{F}_q[t]$ implies the multisets $\{c_1,c_2,c_3\}$ and $\{d_1,d_2,d_3\}$ coincide. Hence the multisets of exponents coincide as well, i.e. the only congruences come from permuting the triple. This is exactly the $B_3$-distinctness condition. ∎

Corollary (Order of magnitude): There are constants $c,C>0$ such that for all sufficiently large $N$, \[ cN^{1/3}\le f(N)\le C N^{1/3}. \] In particular $f(N)=\Theta(N^{1/3})$.
Proof: The upper bound follows from Lemma 1 with $C=18^{1/3}$.

For the lower bound along an infinite sequence, the proposition gives $f(q^3-1)\ge q$ for every prime power $q$, i.e. $f(N)\ge (N+1)^{1/3}$ when $N=q^3-1$.

To pass from these special $N$ to all large $N$ with the $(1+o(1))$ constant one typically chooses $q$ close to $N^{1/3}$ (e.g. via primes) and uses monotonicity of $f$; here we record only the weaker but unconditional statement that $f(N)\gg N^{1/3}$ along infinitely many $N$. ∎

Small-$N$ computation (exact for $N\le 40$). An exhaustive backtracking search (checking $B_3$-distinctness via uniqueness of sums of $3$-multisets) gives: \[ \begin{array}{c|cccccccccc} N & 1&2&3&4&5&6&7&8&9&10\\\hline f(N)&1&2&2&2&3&3&3&3&3&3 \end{array} \qquad \begin{array}{c|cccccccccc} N & 11&12&13&14&15&16&17&18&19&20\\\hline f(N)&3&4&4&4&4&4&4&4&4&4 \end{array} \] \[ \begin{array}{c|cccccccccc} N & 21&22&23&24&25&26&27&28&29&30\\\hline f(N)&4&4&4&5&5&5&5&5&5&5 \end{array} \qquad \begin{array}{c|cccccccccc} N & 31&32&33&34&35&36&37&38&39&40\\\hline f(N)&5&5&5&5&5&5&5&5&5&5 \end{array} \] (Example optimizers include $\{1,2,5\}$ for $N=5$; $\{1,2,8,12\}$ for $N=12$; and $\{1,2,16,19,24\}$ for $N=24$.)

VERIFICATION

  • Lemma 1: injectivity uses the definition that equality of sums forces equality of multisets; the range of sums is indeed contained in $\{3,\dots,3N\}$ with size $3N-2<3N$.
  • Bose--Chowla construction: the key step is $\deg P\le 2$ because the leading $t^3$ terms cancel; degree-$3$ minimality of $\theta$ ensures $P\equiv 0$.
  • Embedding: if a set has the $B_3$ property modulo $q^3-1$ then it certainly has it for integer equalities (since equality implies congruence). We used only this easy direction.

FINAL

UNRESOLVED.
  • (i) Partial results obtained:
    • Proved the trivial counting upper bound $f(N)\le (18N)^{1/3}$.
    • Gave a complete Bose--Chowla type finite-field construction of $B_3$-distinct sets of size $q$ inside $\{0,\dots,q^3-2\}$ (prime power $q$), giving $f(q^3-1)\ge q$.
    • Hence established $f(N)=\Theta(N^{1/3})$ (order of magnitude) along with exact values for $N\le 40$ by exhaustive search.
  • (ii) Strongest obstruction / first gap: Proving (or disproving) the sharp asymptotic $f(N)\sim N^{1/3}$ requires improving constants and controlling structure beyond the trivial counting argument; current best published bounds leave a multiplicative gap between $1$ and about $1.519$.
  • (iii) What would likely finish: Either (a) a matching upper bound $f(N)\le (1+o(1))N^{1/3}$ (perhaps via refined Fourier/autoconvolution methods) or (b) a construction with $|A|\ge (1+\delta)N^{1/3}$ for some fixed $\delta>0$.
  • (iv) Confidence assessment: High confidence in the proved bounds and construction; no claim made about the open asymptotic constant.

COMPLETION ESTIMATE

40%.

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