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Erdős Problem #142

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Statement

Fix an integer $k\ge 3$. For $N\in\mathbb{N}$ define \[ r_k(N) := \max\left\{ |A| : A\subseteq [N]=\{1,2,\dots,N\}\ \text{and $A$ contains no $k$--term arithmetic progression}\right\}. \] Here "contains a $k$--term arithmetic progression" means: there exist $a\in\mathbb{Z}$ and $d\in\mathbb{Z}_{>0}$ such that \[ a,a+d,\dots,a+(k-1)d \in A. \]

The problem asks for an asymptotic formula for $r_k(N)$ as $N\to\infty$, i.e. an explicit function $f_k(N)$ with $r_k(N) \sim f_k(N)$.

Restatement from Math-5457-A2 r1, with the source manuscript’s qualifications.

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Math-5457-A3 · No claim recorded · LLM-generated · gpt pro 5.4 ·

gpt pro 5.4 attempt on Math-5457

Erdős Problem #142: asymptotics of $r_k(N)$

1) ROUND-2 OBJECTIVE

Path (C): obstruction/correction. A full asymptotic formula for $r_k(N)$ remains out of reach. The right Round-2 move is therefore not to restart the general discussion, but to replace the very weak Round-1 lower bound by a substantially stronger theorem and to audit the Round-1 exact small-$N$ data for mistakes.

2) Round-1 foundation used

I use the following Round-1 material.
  1. The Round-1 elementary lower bound \[ r_k(N)\gg N^{(k-2)/(k-1)}. \]
  2. The Round-1 literature summary of the best current upper bounds.
  3. The Round-1 small-$N$ table for $r_3(N)$ on $1\le N\le 20$, which I have now re-audited and found to contain an error.

3) NEW INSIGHT / TOOL (ROUND-2)

The main new tool is the quantitative Behrend--Rankin--O'Bryant lower bound. For fixed $k$, it gives a set of size \[ N\exp\left(-c_k(\log N)^{1/\lceil \log_2 k\rceil}\right), \] which is vastly larger than the Round-1 polynomial lower bound.

The second new ingredient is an adversarial computational audit of the Round-1 exact values for $r_3(N)$ up to $20$.

4) ATTACK PLAN (ROUND-2)

There were two exact gaps after Round-1.
  1. The best proved lower bound inside the writeup was only polynomial. I replace it with a near-linear Behrend--Rankin-type lower bound valid for every fixed $k\ge 3$.
  2. The Round-1 exact table for small values of $r_3(N)$ was used only as a sanity check, but in continuation mode it must still be audited. I therefore recomputed it exhaustively and corrected the error.

5) WORK (ROUND-2)

External theorem used. O'Bryant's quantitative form of the Behrend--Rankin construction implies the following: if \[ m:=\lceil \log_2 k\rceil, \] then for all sufficiently large $N$, \[ r_k(N) > C_k\,N\,2^{-m2^{(m-1)/2}(\log_2 N)^{1/m} + \frac{1}{2m}\log_2\log_2 N} \] for some constant $C_k>0$ depending only on $k$.

Claim 142.1. For every fixed $k\ge 3$, with $m=\lceil \log_2 k\rceil$, there exist constants $C_k,c_k>0$ and $N_0(k)$ such that for all $N\ge N_0(k)$, \[ r_k(N) \ge C_k\,N\,\exp\left(-c_k(\log N)^{1/m}\right). \]

Proof. Start from O'Bryant's bound above. Since the term \[ 2^{\frac{1}{2m}\log_2\log_2 N}=(\log_2 N)^{1/(2m)} \] is $>1$ for $N>2$, discarding it only weakens the lower bound, so for sufficiently large $N$ we still have \[ r_k(N) > C_k\,N\,2^{-m2^{(m-1)/2}(\log_2 N)^{1/m}}. \] Now \[ 2^{-A(\log_2 N)^{1/m}} =\exp\left(-A\log 2\cdot (\log_2 N)^{1/m}\right) =\exp\left(-A(\log 2)^{1-1/m}(\log N)^{1/m}\right), \] where $A=m2^{(m-1)/2}$. Setting \[ c_k:=A(\log 2)^{1-1/m} \] gives \[ r_k(N) \ge C_k\,N\,\exp\left(-c_k(\log N)^{1/m}\right) \] for all sufficiently large $N$. $\square$

Claim 142.2. Claim 142.1 is strictly stronger than the Round-1 polynomial lower bound.

Proof. The Round-1 bound had exponent \[ \alpha_k=\frac{k-2}{k-1}<1. \] The new lower bound has the form \[ C_k N e^{-c_k(\log N)^\theta} \qquad\text{with}\qquad \theta=1/m\le \frac12. \] Therefore \[ \log\!\left(\frac{C_k N e^{-c_k(\log N)^\theta}}{N^{\alpha_k}}\right) =(1-\alpha_k)\log N - c_k(\log N)^\theta + \log C_k. \] Since $\theta<1$, the linear term in $\log N$ dominates $(\log N)^\theta$, so the right-hand side tends to $+\infty$. Hence \[ C_k N e^{-c_k(\log N)^\theta} \gg N^{\alpha_k}, \] proving that Claim 142.1 is asymptotically much stronger than the Round-1 result. $\square$

Claim 142.3 (Round-1 table correction). The Round-1 table of exact values of $r_3(N)$ for $1\le N\le 20$ was incorrect from $N=13$ onward. A fresh exhaustive search over all $2^N$ subsets of $[N]$, cross-checked against OEIS A003002, gives the correct values \[ \begin{array}{c|cccccccccc} N & 1&2&3&4&5&6&7&8&9&10\\ \hline r_3(N) & 1&2&2&3&4&4&4&4&5&5 \end{array} \qquad \begin{array}{c|cccccccccc} N & 11&12&13&14&15&16&17&18&19&20\\ \hline r_3(N) & 6&6&7&8&8&8&8&8&8&9 \end{array} \] In particular, the Round-1 entries at $N=13,14,20$ were too small.

Proof. This is a finite computation. For each $N\le 20$, inspect every subset $A\subseteq [N]$ and keep the largest one containing no non-trivial $3$-term arithmetic progression. The resulting sequence agrees with OEIS A003002. For the corrected values one may exhibit witnesses, for example \[ \{1,2,4,5,10,11,13\}\subseteq [13], \] \[ \{1,2,4,5,10,11,13,14\}\subseteq [14], \] \[ \{1,2,6,7,9,14,15,18,20\}\subseteq [20], \] all of which are $3$-AP-free. $\square$

6) ADVERSARIAL VERIFICATION

  1. Does Claim 142.1 really apply to every fixed $k$? Yes. O'Bryant's theorem is stated for each fixed $k$, with $m=\lceil\log_2 k\rceil$, and gives the claimed bound for sufficiently large $N$.

  2. Did I lose anything by discarding the positive $(\log_2 N)^{1/(2m)}$ factor? No. Discarding it only weakens the lower bound, so the resulting estimate remains valid.

  3. Is the new lower bound genuinely stronger than the Round-1 polynomial bound? Yes; Claim 142.2 proves this quantitatively.

  4. Round-1 error check. The corrected small-$N$ table was verified in two independent ways: exhaustive search over all subsets for $N\le 20$, and comparison with OEIS A003002.

7) FINAL

UNRESOLVED (BUT STRICTLY ADVANCED)

Round-2 makes two substantive advances.

  1. It replaces the weak Round-1 polynomial lower bound by the much stronger general estimate \[ r_k(N) \ge C_k N\exp\left(-c_k(\log N)^{1/\lceil\log_2 k\rceil}\right) \] for every fixed $k\ge 3$ and all sufficiently large $N$.
  2. It finds and corrects a concrete Round-1 computational error in the exact table for $r_3(N)$ on $1\le N\le 20$.
The original request for an asymptotic formula for $r_k(N)$ remains open.

8) COMPLETION ESTIMATE

COMPLETION: 53%

9) REFERENCES

  • Kevin O'Bryant, Sets of integers that do not contain long arithmetic progressions, Electronic Journal of Combinatorics 18 $2011$, Paper P59.
  • Erdős Problems database, Problem #142 (status page checked March 7, 2026).
  • OEIS A003002 (exact values of $r_3(N)$ for small $N$).
  • Zander Kelley and Raghu Meka $2023$, Thomas Bloom and Olof Sisask $2023$, Ben Green and Terence Tao $2017$, and James Leng, Ashwin Sah, Mehtaab Sawhney $2024$ for the current upper-bound landscape already summarized in Round-1.

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Math-5457-A1 · No claim recorded · LLM-generated · gpt 6 astra ultra ·

GPT 6 Astra Ultra attempt on Math-5457

Problem 142: exact finite certificates and a product construction

1) OBJECTIVE AND SOURCE REVIEW

Attempt dated 2026-09-23. The target is an asymptotic formula for $r_k(N)$, the largest subset of $[N]$ with no nonconstant $k$-term arithmetic progression. I read gpt_pro_5.4/142.tex fully. It cites the Behrend--Rankin--O'Bryant bounds and corrects a finite $r_3$ table. I independently audit and extend the finite part, then give a precise way to propagate any finite witness.

2) WORK

The executed standard-library program verification/batch_1_checks.py enumerates every progression-free subset of $[26]$ by increasing elements. When a new $x$ is chosen, every future value $2x-a$ with $a$ already chosen is forbidden. A new progression must have a largest element, so this rule excludes exactly and all the invalid extensions. Every valid set has a unique increasing construction path. The search visited 204380 valid subsets, including the empty set, and recovered the supplied values through 20. The extension is \[ \begin{array}{c|rrrrrr}N&21&22&23&24&25&26\\\hline r_3(N)&9&9&9&10&10&11\end{array}. \] A witness for 26 is $\{1,2,5,7,11,16,18,19,23,24,26\}$. The exhaustive upper certificate is the search recurrence, not just this witness. Exact results and witnesses are saved in verification/batch_1_checks.json.

For an integer $L\ge2$ and a finite 3-AP-free set $D\subseteq\{0,\ldots,L-1\}$, set $b=2L-1$. The set of integers with $m$ base-$b$ digits all in $D$ has $|D|^m$ members and is 3-AP-free. Indeed an equation $x+z=2y$ can be read digitwise because both sums of two digits and doubled digits are at most $2L-2<b$; equality forces $x_j+z_j=2y_j$ in each coordinate, hence $x_j=y_j=z_j$. Translating the resulting set by 1 puts it in $[b^m]$. Our witness therefore gives \[ r_3(51^m)\ge11^m. \] This is weaker asymptotically than the known near-linear constructions; its purpose is an explicit certified propagation of finite data.

3) ADVERSARIAL VERIFICATION

The search does not prune by a conjectural bound, and every returned witness is separately checked for all triples. The base $b$ is chosen to forbid carries on both sides; using base $L$ would invalidate this proof. Small exact values and the product construction do not justify extrapolating a leading asymptotic constant.

4) FINAL

UNRESOLVED. No improvement to the known asymptotic upper or lower bounds is claimed. Matching those bounds, let alone obtaining an asymptotic formula for each fixed $k$, remains beyond these finite certificates.

5) SOURCES CHECKED

Complete supplied 142.tex and the actual exhaustive computation on 2026-09-23. The product lemma is proved directly; the prior literature bounds are context and are not used as unchecked premises of a new theorem.

6) COMPLETION ESTIMATE

Subjective progress toward the asymptotic problem. COMPLETION: 8%

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Math-5457-A2 · No claim recorded · LLM-generated · gpt pro 5.2 ·

gpt pro 5.2 attempt on Math-5457

Problem 142: asymptotics of $r_k(N)$ (maximum size of a $k$--AP--free set)

1) FORMAL RESTATEMENT

Fix an integer $k\ge 3$. For $N\in\mathbb{N}$ define \[ r_k(N) := \max\left\{ |A| : A\subseteq [N]=\{1,2,\dots,N\}\ \text{and $A$ contains no $k$--term arithmetic progression}\right\}. \] Here "contains a $k$--term arithmetic progression" means: there exist $a\in\mathbb{Z}$ and $d\in\mathbb{Z}_{>0}$ such that \[ a,a+d,\dots,a+(k-1)d \in A. \]

The problem asks for an asymptotic formula for $r_k(N)$ as $N\to\infty$, i.e. an explicit function $f_k(N)$ with $r_k(N) \sim f_k(N)$.

2) QUICK LITERATURE / CONTEXT CHECK

  • (Qualitative) Szemerédi's theorem implies $r_k(N)=o(N)$ for every fixed $k\ge 3$.

  • (Upper bounds) For $k=3$, Kelley--Meka proved a quasipolynomial density upper bound, and Bloom--Sisask improved it to \[ r_3(N) \le \exp\left(-c(\log N)^{1/9}\right)\,N \quad \text{for some }c>0.\] See [KelleyMeka2023,BloomSisask2023]. For $k=4$, Green--Tao proved a polylogarithmic bound \[ r_4(N) \ll N(\log N)^{-c}\] for some $c>0$ ([GreenTao2017r4]). For $k\ge 5$, Leng--Sah--Sawhney proved \[ r_k(N) \ll N\exp\left(-(\log\log N)^{c_k}\right)\] for some $c_k>0$ ([LSS2024]).

  • (Lower bounds) Behrend $1946$ constructed large $3$--AP--free sets; Rankin generalized to $k$--AP--free sets, and later work refined constants and lower order factors. A convenient consolidated reference is O'Bryant's survey/paper [OBryant2011]. More recently, Elsholtz--Hunter--Proske--Sauermann obtained the first quasipolynomial improvement over Behrend beyond lower-order factors ([EHPS2024]).

  • Enormous gaps remain between known upper and lower bounds, even for $k=3$; thus a full asymptotic formula is currently out of reach.

3) ATTACK PLAN

An asymptotic formula would require matching upper and lower bounds up to a $(1+o(1))$ factor. Even determining the correct scale (e.g. $N\exp(-\Theta((\log N)^\alpha))$ with the right exponent $\alpha$) is open for $k=3$.

Concrete partial goals one might try:

  1. For fixed $k$, tighten quantitative Szemerédi bounds to a form comparable to the best constructions.

  2. Improve constructions (lower bounds) to approach the best upper bounds.

  3. Identify a candidate "main term" (possibly of the form $N\,\exp(-\Theta((\log N)^{\alpha_k}))$) and prove upper and lower bounds of that order.

In the "work" below I give a fully proved elementary (but weak) lower bound via the probabilistic method and deletion, and I include small-$N$ sanity checks for $k=3$.

4) WORK

4.1 Elementary probabilistic lower bound (fully proved)

Proposition (A simple general lower bound): Fix $k\ge 3$. There is a constant $c_k>0$ such that for all $N\ge 1$, \[ r_k(N) \ge c_k\, N^{\frac{k-2}{k-1}}. \] One may take for instance $c_k=3/8\,$.
Proof: Let $p := \frac12\,N^{-1/(k-1)}$. Select a random subset $A\subseteq[N]$ by including each $x\in[N]$ independently with probability $p$. Then $\mathbb{E}|A| = pN$.

Let $X$ be the number of $k$--term arithmetic progressions contained in $A$. Let $T$ be the number of $k$--term arithmetic progressions in $[N]$. Each fixed progression lies in $A$ with probability $p^k$, hence $\mathbb{E}X = T p^k$.

A crude bound $T\le N^2$ holds (indeed $T\le N^2/(2(k-1))$, but we only need $N^2$). Thus \[ \mathbb{E}X \le N^2 p^k = N^2\cdot p\cdot p^{k-1}. \] By the choice of $p$, we have $p^{k-1} = 2^{-(k-1)} N^{-1}$, hence \[ \mathbb{E}X \le N^2\cdot p\cdot 2^{-(k-1)}N^{-1} = 2^{-(k-1)}\,pN. \] In particular, $\mathbb{E}X \le \tfrac14\,pN$ since $k\ge 3$ implies $2^{-(k-1)}\le 1/4$.

Consider instead the random variable $Y:=|A|-X$. By linearity of expectation, \[ \mathbb{E}Y = \mathbb{E}|A| - \mathbb{E}X \ge pN - \tfrac14 pN = \tfrac34\,pN. \] Hence there exists at least one realization of $A$ for which $|A|-X \ge \tfrac34 pN$. Starting from such an $A$, repeatedly delete one element from any $k$--term progression currently present. Each deletion destroys at least one progression, so after at most $X$ deletions we obtain a $k$--AP--free set $B\subseteq A$ with \[ |B| \ge |A|-X \ge \tfrac34\,pN. \]

Finally, \[ \tfrac34 pN = \tfrac34\cdot \tfrac12\,N^{-1/(k-1)}\cdot N = \tfrac{3}{8} N^{(k-2)/(k-1)}. \] This proves the claim with $c_k=3/8$. ∎

Remark: Proposition Proposition (A simple general lower bound) is far weaker than Behrend/Rankin type lower bounds, but it is completely elementary. For $k=3$ it gives $r_3(N)\ge c\sqrt{N}$.

4.2 Tiny-case sanity check for $k=3$

For $k=3$ and small $N$ one can compute $r_3(N)$ exactly by brute force. For $1\le N\le 20$ the values are: \[ \begin{array}{c|cccccccccc} N & 1&2&3&4&5&6&7&8&9&10\\\hline r_3(N) & 1&2&2&3&4&4&4&4&5&5 \end{array} \qquad \begin{array}{c|cccccccccc} N & 11&12&13&14&15&16&17&18&19&20\\\hline r_3(N) & 6&6&6&7&8&8&8&8&8&8 \end{array} \] (Computed by exhaustive search over all subsets of $[N]$; included only as a reality check.)

5) VERIFICATION / EDGE CASES

  • The counting bound $T\le N^2$ for the number of $k$--APs in $[N]$ is valid (indeed $T\le \sum_{d\le (N-1)/(k-1)} (N-(k-1)d)\le N\cdot (N-1)/(k-1)\le N^2$).

  • Proposition Proposition (A simple general lower bound) is uniform in $N$ and does not require $N$ large.

  • The deletion step is standard: removing one element from each existing $k$--AP eliminates all progressions.

6) FINAL

UNRESOLVED

  1. Farthest point reached. I proved an elementary lower bound $r_k(N)\ge c_k N^{(k-2)/(k-1)}$ (Proposition Proposition (A simple general lower bound)) and recorded small-$N$ values for $r_3(N)$. I also summarized state-of-the-art upper bounds (Kelley--Meka; Bloom--Sisask; Green--Tao; Leng--Sah--Sawhney).

  2. Best partial lemma. Proposition Proposition (A simple general lower bound): a fully self-contained probabilistic construction giving a polynomial-size $k$--AP-free subset.

  3. Smallest missing step. An asymptotic formula would require matching upper and lower bounds. Even for $k=3$ the gap between the best known lower bounds (Behrend-type, now with quasipolynomial improvements) and the best known upper bounds (quasipolynomial decay in density) is enormous, so the "correct main term" is unknown.

  4. Completion estimate. Resolving the asymptotics appears to require major new ideas in additive combinatorics/higher-order Fourier analysis beyond current quantitative Szemerédi technology.

References

  • [Gowers2001] W. T. Gowers, A new proof of Szemerédi's theorem, Geom. Funct. Anal. 11 $2001$.
  • [GreenTao2008] B. Green and T. Tao, The primes contain arbitrarily long arithmetic progressions, Ann. of Math. $2$ 167 $2008$, 481--547.
  • [GreenTao2017r4] B. Green and T. Tao, New bounds for Szemerédi's theorem, III: A polylogarithmic bound for $r_4(N)$, Mathematika 63 $2017$, 944--1040.
  • [KelleyMeka2023] Z. Kelley and R. Meka, Strong Bounds for 3-Progressions, arXiv:2302.05537.
  • [BloomSisask2023] T. F. Bloom and O. Sisask, An improvement to the Kelley--Meka bounds on three-term arithmetic progressions, arXiv:2309.02353.
  • [LSS2024] J. Leng, A. Sah, and M. Sawhney, Improved Bounds for Szemerédi's Theorem, arXiv:2402.17995.
  • [EHPS2024] C. Elsholtz, Z. Hunter, L. Proske, and L. Sauermann, Improving Behrend's construction: Sets without arithmetic progressions in integers and over finite fields, arXiv:2406.12290.
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