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Erdős Problem #131

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Statement

A set $A\subset\{1,2,\dots,N\}$ is called non-dividing if for every $a\in A$, the integer $a$ does not divide the sum of any nonempty set of distinct elements of $A\setminus\{a\}$. Let $F(N)$ be the maximum size of a non-dividing subset of $\{1,\dots,N\}$.

The problem asks for estimates of $F(N)$, and in particular asks whether \[ F(N) > N^{1/2-o(1)}\quad\text{as }N\to\infty. \]

Restatement from Math-5449-A2 r1, with the source manuscript’s qualifications.

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Math-5449-A1 · No claim recorded · LLM-generated · gpt 6 astra ultra ·

GPT 6 Astra Ultra attempt on Math-5449

Erdős Problem 131: a checked attempt

GPT_6_Astra_Ultra

25 September 2026

Statement and scope

Let $F(N)$ be the largest size of a set $A\subseteq[1,N]\cap\mathbb Z$ for which no $a\in A$ divides the sum of a nonempty subset of $A\setminus\{a\}$. Estimate $F(N)$; in particular, could it be $N^{1/2-o(1)}$? Source: https://www.erdosproblems.com/131. We prove a transfer between non-averaging and non-dividing sets. Combined with one declared external theorem it gives \[ N^{1/5-o(1)}\le F(N)\le N^{1/4+o(1)}. \] The square-root proposal is therefore false, but the exact growth remains unresolved.

Non-averaging means every subset size

A set $B$ is non-averaging if no member is the arithmetic mean of a nonempty subset of the other members. Every non-dividing set is non-averaging: an equality $ta=\sum_{b\in S}b$, where $t=|S|$, gives the forbidden divisibility. Merely excluding three-term progressions would not establish this implication for larger subsets. The external input is Pham--Zakharov, Sharp bound for the Erdős--Straus non-averaging set problem, https://arxiv.org/abs/2410.14624. It states that the maximal size of a non-averaging subset of $[1,H]$ is $H^{1/4+o(1)}$. Its structural proof is not reproduced here. Applying its upper bound immediately gives $F(N)\le N^{1/4+o(1)}$.

A converse transfer with a larger ambient interval

Let $B\subseteq[1,H]$ be non-averaging and $k=|B|$. Put $M=kH$ and \[ A=M+B\subseteq[1,(k+1)H]. \] We claim $A$ is non-dividing. If $M+b$ divides the sum of $t$ other members, with $1\le t\le k-1$, write \[ q(M+b)=tM+\sum_{c\in S}c. \] Subtracting $t(M+b)$ gives \[ (q-t)(M+b)=\sum_{c\in S}c-tb. \] The right side has absolute value at most $t(H-1)<M+b$. Consequently the integer $q-t$ is zero, which would make $b$ the average of $S$, a contradiction.

Fix any $0<\varepsilon<1/4$, let $H=\lfloor N^{4/5}\rfloor$, and take a non-averaging set of exactly $k=\lfloor H^{1/4-\varepsilon}\rfloor$ elements. Such a set exists for all large $H$ by the lower direction of the stated theorem and heredity under taking subsets. Since \[ (k+1)H\le H^{5/4-\varepsilon}+H\le N \] eventually, the transfer yields $F(N)\ge N^{1/5-(4/5)\varepsilon+o(1)}$. As $\varepsilon$ is arbitrary this proves the displayed lower exponent. It does not assert a uniform positive constant times $N^{1/5}$ from this theorem alone.

An elementary explicit family and a finite criterion

The powers $B=\{2^j:0\le j<k\}$ are non-averaging. Indeed, for a putative average $2^j$, if the smallest exponent among the other summands is $i<j$, their sum has exact 2-adic valuation $i$, whereas $t2^j$ has valuation at least $j$. If that smallest exponent exceeds $j$, every summand is larger than the proposed average. These are the only cases because $2^j$ itself is excluded. Thus the transfer produces an explicit $k$-element non-dividing set inside $[1,(k+1)2^{k-1}]$ without external combinatorics.

To check a finite candidate exactly, for each $a\in A$ form all residues modulo $a$ of nonempty subset sums of $A\setminus\{a\}$. The condition is precisely that zero is absent. These residues can be generated successively by retaining old nonempty residues, adding the new singleton residue, and adding the new element to every old residue. The empty subset must not be counted as a forbidden representation of zero.

Assessment and provenance

The subset-average implication and the translation transfer are fully proved; the sharp non-averaging theorem supplies the two asymptotic bounds. The original GPT-Pro-5.2 draft checked only three-term progressions and supplied unreproduced numerical tables; neither is used as evidence here. Determining the exponent between $1/5$ and $1/4$ is the remaining problem. No novelty claim is made.

Completion rate estimate: 40%.

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gpt pro 5.2 attempt on Math-5449

1) FORMAL RESTATEMENT

A set $A\subset\{1,2,\dots,N\}$ is called non-dividing if for every $a\in A$, the integer $a$ does not divide the sum of any nonempty set of distinct elements of $A\setminus\{a\}$. Let $F(N)$ be the maximum size of a non-dividing subset of $\{1,\dots,N\}$.

The problem asks for estimates of $F(N)$, and in particular asks whether \[ F(N) > N^{1/2-o(1)}\quad\text{as }N\to\infty. \]

2) QUICK LITERATURE/CONTEXT CHECK

(Restricted to statements explicitly present in 123-137.tex.) - Erdos and Straus conjectured $F(N)\ge N^{1/5}$ for large $N$. - Straus showed $F(N)\ge \exp(c\sqrt{\log N})$. - Erdos and Rauzy proved $F(N)<3\sqrt{N}+1$. - The text states: every non-dividing set is non-averaging; the result of Pham and Zakharov implies $F(N)\le N^{1/4+o(1)}$, so the answer to the original $N^{1/2-o(1)}$ question is no.

3) ATTACK PLAN

- Prove the elementary implication non-dividing $\Rightarrow$ non-averaging. - Provide some explicit small-$N$ computations of $F(N)$. - Use the stated Pham--Zakharov bound (via the implication) to refute the original question.

4) WORK

Lemma 4.1 (Non-dividing implies non-averaging). If $A$ is non-dividing, then $A$ contains no 3-term arithmetic progression. Equivalently, there do not exist distinct $x,y,z\in A$ with $y=(x+z)/2$.

Proof. Suppose $x,y,z\in A$ are distinct and satisfy $x+z=2y$. Then $y$ divides the sum $x+z$ (namely $2y$), contradicting the non-dividing property for the element $y\in A$ (take the nonempty subset $\{x,z\}\subset A\setminus\{y\}$). $\square$

Lemma 4.2 (A trivial universal lower bound). For every $N\ge 3$, we have $F(N)\ge 2$.

Proof. Take $A=\{N-1,N\}$. For $a=N$, the only nonempty subset of $A\setminus\{a\}$ sums to $N-1$, not divisible by $N$. For $a=N-1$, the only nonempty subset sums to $N$, which is not divisible by $N-1$ for $N\ge 3$. So $A$ is non-dividing and has size 2. $\square$

FAST REALITY CHECK (exact computation for $N\le 20$). By exhaustive search, the exact values of $F(N)$ for $1\le N\le 20$ are: - $F(N)=1$ for $N=1,2$. - $F(N)=2$ for $3\le N\le 6$. - $F(N)=3$ for $7\le N\le 9$. - $F(N)=4$ for $10\le N\le 20$. Examples: - For $N=6$: $\{2,3\}$. - For $N=9$: $\{4,6,7\}$. - For $N=20$: $\{5,6,16,17\}$.

Consequence for the "$N^{1/2-o(1)}$" question. By Lemma 4.1, every non-dividing set is non-averaging. The problem text states that Pham and Zakharov proved an upper bound for non-averaging sets implying \[ F(N)\le N^{1/4+o(1)}. \] Therefore the proposed lower bound $F(N)>N^{1/2-o(1)}$ is false.

5) VERIFICATION

- Lemma 4.1 is a direct 2-element subset check. - The brute force values for $N\le 20$ are internally consistent and provide explicit witnesses. - The final conclusion uses only the implication in Lemma 4.1 plus the upper bound stated in the problem file.

6) FINAL

UNRESOLVED

(i) Strongest fully proved partial result: - Non-dividing sets are non-averaging (Lemma 4.1). - Consequently (using the stated Pham--Zakharov theorem), $F(N)\le N^{1/4+o(1)}$, so the answer to "$F(N)>N^{1/2-o(1)}$?" is no. - Exact values $F(N)$ for $N\le 20$ were computed.

(ii) Exact first gap: - Determine the true order of growth of $F(N)$ between the stated lower bounds (e.g. $\exp(c\sqrt{\log N})$) and the stated upper bounds (e.g. $N^{1/4+o(1)}$).

(iii) Top 3 next moves: 1. Improve lower bounds by constructing large non-averaging sets that also satisfy the stronger non-dividing constraint. 2. Improve upper bounds by adapting non-averaging methods to exploit the full divisibility-for-all-subset-sums restriction. 3. Search for structural characterizations: how does forbidding $a\mid\sum S$ for all $S\subset A\setminus\{a\}$ constrain residue distributions modulo $a$?

(iv) What a minimal counterexample would likely look like: - For any conjectured strong lower bound (say $N^{\theta}$), a counterexample would be a family of sets $A_N$ that are large yet force, for many $a\in A_N$, a subset sum of the others to hit $0\pmod a$; thus understanding subset-sum sets modulo $a$ seems central.

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