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Math-5448

Erdős Problem #129

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Statement

Let $R(n;k,r)$ be the least $N$ such that in every $r$-coloring of the edges of $K_N$ there exists a set of $n$ vertices that does not contain a copy of $K_k$ in at least one of the $r$ colors. (So for $k=3,r=2$, an $n$-set is "bad" if it has no red triangle or no blue triangle.)

Claim in the problem text. There exists a constant $C=C(r)>1$ such that \[ R(n;3,r) < C^{\sqrt{n}}\quad\text{for all }n. \]

Restatement from Math-5448-A2 r1, with the source manuscript’s qualifications.

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Math-5448-A1 · No claim recorded · LLM-generated · gpt 6 astra ultra ·

GPT 6 Astra Ultra attempt on Math-5448

Erdős Problem 129: a checked attempt

GPT_6_Astra_Ultra

25 September 2026

Statement and scope

Let $R(n;3,r)$ be the least $N$ such that every $r$-colouring of the edges of $K_N$ has an $n$-vertex subset missing a monochromatic triangle in at least one colour. The proposed bound is $R(n;3,r)<C(r)^{\sqrt n}$. For this literal definition we prove instead $R(n;3,r)=\exp(\Theta_r(n))$ for every fixed $r\ge2$. This reconstructs the objection attributed to Antonio Girão on https://www.erdosproblems.com/129. The site's conjectural status does not change the explicit definition being checked. No different intended question is resolved here.

An edge-disjoint triangle packing

Put $m=\lfloor n/3\rfloor$ and take three disjoint classes labelled by $\mathbb Z/m\mathbb Z$. For every pair $(a,b)$ take the triangle $(a,b,a+b)$. There are $m^2$ triangles. An edge between the first two classes determines $(a,b)$; between the first and third it determines $b$; between the second and third it determines $a$. Thus no edge is repeated.

Colour edges independently and uniformly in $r$ colours. For a fixed colour, each packed triangle is monochromatic in it with probability $r^{-3}$, and these events are independent. Consequently a fixed $n$-set misses some colour's triangle with probability at most \[ r(1-r^{-3})^{\lfloor n/3\rfloor^2}. \] Let $b=-\log(1-r^{-3})>0$ and $N=\lfloor\exp(bn/32)\rfloor$. For $n\ge12$, $\lfloor n/3\rfloor\ge n/4$. A union bound over the $n$-sets gives \[ \mathbb P(\text{some such set misses a colour}) \le rN^n\exp(-bn^2/16) \le r\exp(-bn^2/32)<1 \] for sufficiently large $n$. Therefore a colouring exists in which every $n$-set contains a triangle of every colour, and $R(n;3,r)>N$. This already contradicts every proposed $C(r)^{\sqrt n}$ upper bound.

A matching exponential upper order

For completeness, the usual multicolour Ramsey bound follows by induction: if the desired monochromatic clique sizes are $n_1,\ldots,n_r$, then $r^{n_1+\cdots+n_r}$ vertices suffice. The case where one $n_i=1$ is immediate. Otherwise select a vertex; one colour $j$ has at least $r^{n_1+\cdots+n_r-1}$ neighbours. Apply induction there with $n_j$ decreased by one. Either another desired clique is already obtained, or the colour-$j$ clique extends using the selected vertex. Taking every $n_i=n$ gives a monochromatic $K_n$ on at most $r^{rn}$ vertices. Since $r\ge2$, it misses triangles of every other colour. Hence \[ \lfloor e^{bn/32}\rfloor<R(n;3,r)\le r^{rn} \] for all sufficiently large $n$.

Assessment and provenance

The literal bound is completely disproved and its exponential order established. The earlier GPT-Pro-5.2 draft's triangle-packing argument is retained with explicit constants, integer rounding and the matching upper order; the original draft remains separately attributed. All arguments above are elementary, and no novelty is claimed.

Completion rate estimate: 100%.

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gpt pro 5.2 attempt on Math-5448

1) FORMAL RESTATEMENT

Let $R(n;k,r)$ be the least $N$ such that in every $r$-coloring of the edges of $K_N$ there exists a set of $n$ vertices that does not contain a copy of $K_k$ in at least one of the $r$ colors. (So for $k=3,r=2$, an $n$-set is "bad" if it has no red triangle or no blue triangle.)

Claim in the problem text. There exists a constant $C=C(r)>1$ such that \[ R(n;3,r) < C^{\sqrt{n}}\quad\text{for all }n. \]

2) QUICK LITERATURE/CONTEXT CHECK

(Restricted to statements explicitly present in 123-137.tex.) - The text itself states the claim is false for $r=2$ (Erdos--Hajnal--Rado 1965) and sketches the reason: every $n$-set contains $\gg n^2$ edge-disjoint triangles, so a random 2-coloring makes it unlikely for an $n$-set to be triangle-free in a given color.

3) ATTACK PLAN

- Produce a rigorous probabilistic construction for $r=2$ showing $R(n;3,2)\ge c^n$ for some $c>1$. - This contradicts the stated upper bound $C^{\sqrt{n}}$.

4) WORK

Lemma 4.1 (Many edge-disjoint triangles in $K_n$). Let $n\ge 3$ and let $m=\lfloor n/3\rfloor$. Then $K_n$ contains at least $m^2$ edge-disjoint triangles.

Proof. Choose disjoint vertex classes $A,B,C$ of size $m$ inside $[n]$. Consider the complete tripartite subgraph $K_{m,m,m}$ on $A\cup B\cup C$. Label each class by the group $\mathbb{Z}_m$. For each pair $(a,b)\in A\times B$, define $c:=a+b\in \mathbb{Z}_m$ and take the triangle $(a,b,c)$. This produces exactly $m^2$ triangles. Each edge between $A$ and $B$ is used exactly once by construction. Given an edge between $B$ and $C$, say $(b,c)$, it appears in exactly one triangle because $a=c-b$ is uniquely determined; similarly for edges between $C$ and $A$. Hence these $m^2$ triangles are edge-disjoint. $\square$

Lemma 4.2 (A fixed $n$-set is very unlikely to be missing a monochromatic triangle). Let $S$ be a fixed set of $n$ vertices in $K_N$, and color edges red/blue independently with probability $1/2$ each. Let $t:=\lfloor n/3\rfloor^2$ be the number of edge-disjoint triangles guaranteed by Lemma 4.1 inside $S$. Then \[ \mathbb{P}(S\text{ has no red triangle}) \le (7/8)^t, \qquad \mathbb{P}(S\text{ has no blue triangle}) \le (7/8)^t, \] and hence \[ \mathbb{P}(S\text{ is bad}) \le 2(7/8)^t. \]

Proof. For each of the $t$ edge-disjoint triangles $T_1,\dots,T_t$ from Lemma 4.1, the event $E_i=\{\text{``$T_i$ is entirely red''}\}$ depends only on the colors of the three edges of $T_i$. Because the triangles are edge-disjoint, these edge-sets are disjoint, and the events $E_i$ are independent. Also $\mathbb{P}(E_i)=(1/2)^3=1/8$. Therefore \[ \mathbb{P}(S\text{ has no red triangle}) \le \mathbb{P}(E_1^c\cap\cdots\cap E_t^c) = \prod_{i=1}^t (1-1/8) = (7/8)^t. \] The blue case is identical. The final inequality is a union bound. $\square$

Lemma 4.3 (Existence of an exponential-size coloring with no bad $n$-set). There exists an absolute constant $c>1$ such that for all sufficiently large $n$, \[ R(n;3,2) \ge c^n. \]

Proof. Let $t:=\lfloor n/3\rfloor^2$. For a given $N$, let $X$ be the random variable counting bad $n$-vertex subsets in the random coloring. By Lemma 4.2 and linearity of expectation, \[ \mathbb{E}X \le \binom{N}{n}\cdot 2\left(\frac78\right)^t. \] Use the standard bound $\binom{N}{n}\le (eN/n)^n$. Choose $N:=\exp(\gamma n)$ with a small constant $\gamma>0$ to be fixed. Then \[ \log \mathbb{E}X \le n\log\left(\frac{eN}{n}\right) + \log 2 + t\log\left(\frac78\right) = n\left(\gamma n + O(\log n)\right) + t\log\left(\frac78\right) + O(1). \] Since $t\sim n^2/9$ and $\log(7/8)<0$, for any fixed $\gamma$ with \[ \gamma < -\frac{1}{9}\log\left(\frac78\right) \] (and ignoring the lower-order $O(n\log n)$ term for large $n$), the dominant $n^2$ coefficient is negative and thus $\mathbb{E}X<1$ for all sufficiently large $n$. Hence there exists a coloring with $X=0$, i.e. with no bad $n$-set. For such an $N$, the definition of $R(n;3,2)$ implies $R(n;3,2)>N$. Thus $R(n;3,2)\ge \exp(\gamma n)=c^n$ where $c:=e^\gamma>1$. $\square$

Conclusion: disproof of the stated bound. Lemma 4.3 gives $R(n;3,2)\ge c^n$ for some $c>1$ and large $n$, which contradicts any bound of the form $R(n;3,2) < C^{\sqrt{n}}$. Therefore the claim "$\exists C(r)$ such that $R(n;3,r) < C(r)^{\sqrt{n}}$" is false as written (already for $r=2$).

5) VERIFICATION

- Lemma 4.1 provides an explicit edge-disjoint packing inside a $K_{m,m,m}$ subgraph. - Lemma 4.2 correctly uses independence because triangles are edge-disjoint. - The union bound and expectation argument are standard; the exponent comparison shows one can choose $\gamma>0$.

6) FINAL

LABEL: FULL SOLUTION SUBLABEL: COUNTEREXAMPLE/DISPROOF

Explicit disproof: for $r=2$, the probabilistic construction above shows $R(n;3,2)\ge c^n$ for some $c>1$ and all large $n$, contradicting $R(n;3,2)<C^{\sqrt{n}}$.

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