Erdős Problem #110
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Erdős #110; partial reconstruction and quantifier audit, 2026-09-23. Does there exist $F:\mathbb N\to\mathbb N$ such that every graph of chromatic number $\aleph_1$ has, for all sufficiently large $k$, a finite subgraph of chromatic number exactly $k$ on at most $F(k)$ vertices? The eventual threshold may depend on the graph, but $F$ must be universal. The known answer is no. We independently prove the full corresponding obstruction for chromatic number $\aleph_0$ and specify the uncountable construction still missing from this reconstruction.
Restatement from Math-5432-A1 r1, with the source manuscript’s qualifications.
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FORMAL RESTATEMENT
Erdős #110; partial reconstruction and quantifier audit, 2026-09-23. Does there exist $F:\mathbb N\to\mathbb N$ such that every graph of chromatic number $\aleph_1$ has, for all sufficiently large $k$, a finite subgraph of chromatic number exactly $k$ on at most $F(k)$ vertices? The eventual threshold may depend on the graph, but $F$ must be universal. The known answer is no. We independently prove the full corresponding obstruction for chromatic number $\aleph_0$ and specify the uncountable construction still missing from this reconstruction.QUICK LITERATURE AND CONTEXT CHECK
Lambie-Hanson's Theorem A establishes the negative answer in ZFC. Precisely, for every $f:\mathbb N\to\mathbb N$ there is a graph with $|G|=2^{\aleph_1}$ and $\chi(G)=\aleph_1$ such that every subgraph with fewer than $f(k)$ vertices has chromatic number less than $k$, for every $k\geq3$. Taking $f(k)=F(k)+1$ contradicts the proposed bound for every $k\geq3$, not just finitely many exceptions. This exact external theorem records the known resolution; its club-guessing construction is not proved in this file.OBJECTIVE AND ATTACK PLAN
Construct finite graphs of arbitrarily high chromatic number and prescribed large girth by a probabilistic deletion argument. Assemble them into a countable graph whose finite chromatic witnesses exceed any prescribed function. This proves a substantive part of the surrounding problem and identifies precisely why merely repeating finite constructions does not reach $\aleph_1$.WORK
Finite graphs with large girth and large chromatic number
Fix integers $g\geq3$ and $m\geq3$. For large $N$, form a random graph on $N$ vertices, retaining edges independently with probability $p=N^{-1+1/(2g)}$. For each $3\leq\ell\leq g$, the expected number of cycles of length $\ell$ is at most $N^\ell p^\ell\leq N^{1/2}$. Thus the expected total number $X$ of such cycles is at most $gN^{1/2}$, and Markov's inequality gives $\mathbb P(X>N/4)\leq4gN^{-1/2}\to0$.Let $t=\lceil N/(2m)\rceil$. The expected number of independent sets of size $t$ is at most \[ \binom Nt(1-p)^{\binom t2} \leq \exp\left(N\log2-\frac12p\,t(t-1)\right)\longrightarrow0, \] because the negative term has order $N^{1+1/(2g)}$, which dominates $N$. Therefore for sufficiently large $N$ there is an outcome with at most $N/4$ short cycles and no independent set of size $t$.
Delete one vertex from each remaining cycle of length at most $g$. At most $N/4$ vertices are deleted, and deletion cannot create a cycle. The resulting graph has at least $3N/4$ vertices, girth greater than $g$, and independence number at most $t-1<N/(2m)$. Hence its chromatic number is at least its order divided by its independence number, and is greater than $3m/2$. In particular it is at least $m$.
If necessary, delete vertices further until the chromatic number first becomes exactly $m$. Removing one vertex lowers chromatic number by at most one: a coloring after removal extends using one new color. Thus exact value $m$ must be attained. Girth cannot decrease under these deletions. We have proved the existence of a finite graph $H$ with $\chi(H)=m$ and girth greater than $g$.
Arbitrarily slow growth for a countably chromatic graph
Now fix any proposed function $F$. For every $m\geq3$, put \[ g_m=\max\{3,F(3),F(4),\ldots,F(m)\}, \] and choose a finite graph $H_m$ of chromatic number exactly $m$ and girth greater than $g_m$, as just proved. Let $G$ be the disjoint union of the $H_m$.The graph is countable and has unbounded finite chromatic numbers, so $\chi(G)=\aleph_0$. Fix $k\geq3$, and suppose a finite subgraph $J\subseteq G$ has at most $F(k)$ vertices. If its part in $H_m$ has $m<k$, that part is $(k-1)$-colorable. If $m\geq k$, then that part has at most $F(k)\leq g_m$ vertices and cannot contain a cycle: such a cycle would have length at most $g_m$, contrary to the girth of $H_m$. It is therefore a forest and is $2$-colorable. Since the parts lie in disjoint components, their colorings can reuse the same palette; $\chi(J)<k$.
Consequently every finite subgraph of $G$ having chromatic number at least $k$ has more than $F(k)$ vertices, simultaneously for all $k\geq3$. In particular no subgraph of exactly chromatic number $k$ satisfies the proposed size bound. This proves the countable analogue with all quantifiers in the required order.
Why this does not settle the stated uncountable case
Even taking uncountably many disjoint copies of these finite graphs leaves the chromatic number at most $\aleph_0$: use the same countable palette on every component. Increasing the cardinality of the vertex set does not force uncountable chromatic number. The passage from this construction to $\chi(G)=\aleph_1$ requires additional structure, supplied in Lambie-Hanson's theorem by an uncountable combinatorial construction. That construction is the missing component of the present attempt.For clarity, "at least $k$" versus "exactly $k$" is not the obstacle. Any finite graph of chromatic number at least $k$ has an induced subgraph of chromatic number exactly $k$, by the one-vertex deletion argument above. The real issue is controlling the chromatic number of the whole infinite graph while imposing all finite size restrictions.
VERIFICATION AND SCOPE
The probabilistic bounds tend to zero for fixed $g,m$ as $N\to\infty$, so their simultaneous use is justified by the union bound. The assembly uses graphs with chromatic number exactly $m$, which is essential when $m<k$. No independence or consistency hypothesis is needed for the proved countable result. The ZFC uncountable theorem is cited accurately but not independently reconstructed.SOURCES
- Current problem: https://www.erdosproblems.com/110.
- C. Lambie-Hanson, On the growth rate of chromatic numbers of finite subgraphs, Theorem A and Sections 2--4: https://arxiv.org/html/1902.08177.