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Erdős Problem #1083

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Statement

Fix an integer $d\ge 3$. For a finite set $P\subset \mathbb{R}^d$ of size $|P|=n$, let \[ \Delta(P):=\{\,\|x-y\|: x,y\in P,\ x\ne y\,\} \] be the set of distinct (Euclidean) distances determined by $P$. Define \[ f_d(n):=\min\{\,|\Delta(P)|: P\subset\mathbb{R}^d,\ |P|=n\,\}. \] The problem asks for asymptotics of $f_d(n)$ as $n\to\infty$ with $d$ fixed, and in particular whether $f_d(n)=n^{\frac{2}{d}-o(1)}$.

Restatement from Math-6137-A2 r1, with the source manuscript’s qualifications.

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Erdős Problem 1083 --- collection record

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Erdős Problem 1083 (distinct distances in $\mathbb{R}^d$, $d\ge 3$)

FORMAL RESTATEMENT

Fix an integer $d\ge 3$. For a finite set $P\subset \mathbb{R}^d$ of size $|P|=n$, let \[ \Delta(P):=\{\,\|x-y\|: x,y\in P,\ x\ne y\,\} \] be the set of distinct (Euclidean) distances determined by $P$. Define \[ f_d(n):=\min\{\,|\Delta(P)|: P\subset\mathbb{R}^d,\ |P|=n\,\}. \] The problem asks for asymptotics of $f_d(n)$ as $n\to\infty$ with $d$ fixed, and in particular whether $f_d(n)=n^{\frac{2}{d}-o(1)}$.

QUICK LITERATURE/CONTEXT CHECK

The problem statement itself records bounds of Erdős, $n^{1/d}\ll_d f_d(n)\ll_d n^{2/d}$, and later improvements for $d=3$ and general $d\ge 4$. In what follows I do not use any additional literature results beyond what is already stated in the problem file.

ATTACK PLAN

  • Proof track (partial). Establish the classical lower bound $f_d(n)\gg_d n^{1/d}$ via a polynomial method argument, and the lattice upper bound $f_d(n)\ll_d n^{2/d}$ via an explicit grid construction.
  • Disproof track. Not applicable here (the question is to estimate/decide an asymptotic, not a single yes/no statement with fixed parameters).

WORK

Fast reality check.
$f_d(n)=1$ is possible when $n\le d+1$ (take the vertices of a regular simplex). For the $d$-dimensional integer grid $[0,k-1]^d$ (so $n=k^d$), a small computation gives (for squared distances): $d=3,k=2: |\Delta|=3$; $d=3,k=3: |\Delta|=9$; $d=4,k=2: |\Delta|=4$. (Computed exactly by brute force.)
Lemma (Polynomial-method lower bound): Let $P\subset\mathbb{R}^d$ have $|P|=n$, and let $|\Delta(P)|=m$. Then \[ n\le \binom{d+2m}{d}. \] In particular, for fixed $d$ there is a constant $c_d>0$ such that $m\ge c_d\, n^{1/d}$.
Proof: Let $\{\delta_1,\dots,\delta_m\}$ be the set of squared distances determined by $P$: $\delta_i\in \{\|x-y\|^2: x\ne y\in P\}$, all distinct. Fix an ordering $P=\{p_1,\dots,p_n\}\subset\mathbb{R}^d$. For each $i\in\{1,\dots,n\}$ define a polynomial in $d$ variables \[ F_i(x):=\prod_{t=1}^m \big(\|x-p_i\|^2-\delta_t\big). \] Each factor $\|x-p_i\|^2-\delta_t$ is a polynomial of total degree $2$ in $x$, hence $F_i$ has total degree $2m$. Now evaluate at the points $p_j$:
  • If $j\ne i$, then $\|p_j-p_i\|^2$ equals one of the $\delta_t$, so one factor vanishes and hence $F_i(p_j)=0$.
  • If $j=i$, then $F_i(p_i)=\prod_{t=1}^m(0-\delta_t)\ne 0$, since all $\delta_t>0$ (distinct points).
Therefore the $n\times n$ matrix $M=(F_i(p_j))_{i,j}$ is diagonal with nonzero diagonal entries, so it is invertible. In particular, $F_1,\dots,F_n$ are linearly independent in the vector space of real polynomials in $d$ variables of total degree at most $2m$. The dimension of that space is $\binom{d+2m}{d}$ (number of monomials of total degree $\le 2m$ in $d$ variables). Hence $n\le \binom{d+2m}{d}$.

For the asymptotic consequence: for fixed $d$, $\binom{d+2m}{d}\le C_d (2m)^d$ for a constant $C_d$ (e.g. $C_d=1/d!$ times a factor depending only on $d$). Thus $n\le C'_d m^d$, so $m\ge c_d n^{1/d}$. ∎

Lemma (Grid/lattice upper bound): For each integer $k\ge 2$, let $P=[0,k-1]^d\cap \mathbb{Z}^d$ so $|P|=k^d$. Then \[ |\Delta(P)|\le d(k-1)^2. \] Consequently, for all $n$ there exists a set of $n$ points in $\mathbb{R}^d$ determining at most $C_d n^{2/d}$ distinct distances.
Proof: For $x,y\in P$, the squared distance is $\|x-y\|^2=\sum_{j=1}^d (x_j-y_j)^2$. Each coordinate difference $x_j-y_j$ is an integer in $[-(k-1),k-1]$, so $(x_j-y_j)^2\in\{0,1,\dots,(k-1)^2\}$. Hence $\|x-y\|^2\in\{0,1,\dots,d(k-1)^2\}$. Excluding $0$ (which corresponds to $x=y$) shows there are at most $d(k-1)^2$ possible nonzero squared distances, and therefore at most that many distances.

Now given general $n$, choose $k=\lceil n^{1/d}\rceil$ and take any subset of $P$ of size $n$. This does not increase the number of distinct distances, and yields $|\Delta|\ll_d k^2\ll_d n^{2/d}$. ∎

VERIFICATION

  • The polynomial argument uses only that the set of squared distances has size $m$ and that all $\delta_t>0$; this holds for any set of distinct points.
  • Degree count: $\|x-p_i\|^2$ is a quadratic polynomial; the product over $m$ values has degree $2m$.
  • Grid bound counts possible squared distance values, giving an upper bound (not necessarily tight), which is all that is needed.

FINAL

UNRESOLVED.
  1. (i) Strongest proved partial result here: for fixed $d\ge 3$, $c_d n^{1/d}\le f_d(n)\le C_d n^{2/d}$, with fully proved lemmas above.
  2. (ii) First gap: improve the lower bound exponent to $2/d-o(1)$ (or disprove it) for any fixed $d\ge 3$.
  3. (iii) Top 3 next moves: $1$ sharpen the polynomial method by using a lower-degree basis tailored to the realized distance set; $2$ attempt incidence bounds between points and spheres to upper bound multiplicities of distances and force more distinct values; $3$ computational search in $d=3$ for extremal configurations for modest $n$ to guess extremizers beyond grids.
  4. (iv) Minimal counterexample structure (if the conjectured $n^{2/d-o(1)}$ fails): families of $n$-point sets in fixed $\mathbb{R}^d$ with unusually many repeated distances, plausibly coming from highly structured algebraic varieties (unions of spheres/cylinders/cones) rather than full-dimensional lattices.

COMPLETION ESTIMATE

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gpt pro 5.2 attempt on Math-6137

Erdős Problem 1083 (distinct distances in $\mathbb{R}^d$, $d\ge 3$)

FORMAL RESTATEMENT

Fix an integer $d\ge 3$. For a finite set $P\subset \mathbb{R}^d$ of size $|P|=n$, let \[ \Delta(P):=\{\,\|x-y\|: x,y\in P,\ x\ne y\,\} \] be the set of distinct (Euclidean) distances determined by $P$. Define \[ f_d(n):=\min\{\,|\Delta(P)|: P\subset\mathbb{R}^d,\ |P|=n\,\}. \] The problem asks for asymptotics of $f_d(n)$ as $n\to\infty$ with $d$ fixed, and in particular whether $f_d(n)=n^{\frac{2}{d}-o(1)}$.

QUICK LITERATURE/CONTEXT CHECK

The problem statement itself records bounds of Erdős, $n^{1/d}\ll_d f_d(n)\ll_d n^{2/d}$, and later improvements for $d=3$ and general $d\ge 4$. In what follows I do not use any additional literature results beyond what is already stated in the problem file.

ATTACK PLAN

  • Proof track (partial). Establish the classical lower bound $f_d(n)\gg_d n^{1/d}$ via a polynomial method argument, and the lattice upper bound $f_d(n)\ll_d n^{2/d}$ via an explicit grid construction.
  • Disproof track. Not applicable here (the question is to estimate/decide an asymptotic, not a single yes/no statement with fixed parameters).

WORK

Fast reality check.
$f_d(n)=1$ is possible when $n\le d+1$ (take the vertices of a regular simplex). For the $d$-dimensional integer grid $[0,k-1]^d$ (so $n=k^d$), a small computation gives (for squared distances): $d=3,k=2: |\Delta|=3$; $d=3,k=3: |\Delta|=9$; $d=4,k=2: |\Delta|=4$. (Computed exactly by brute force.)
Lemma (Polynomial-method lower bound): Let $P\subset\mathbb{R}^d$ have $|P|=n$, and let $|\Delta(P)|=m$. Then \[ n\le \binom{d+2m}{d}. \] In particular, for fixed $d$ there is a constant $c_d>0$ such that $m\ge c_d\, n^{1/d}$.
Proof: Let $\{\delta_1,\dots,\delta_m\}$ be the set of squared distances determined by $P$: $\delta_i\in \{\|x-y\|^2: x\ne y\in P\}$, all distinct. Fix an ordering $P=\{p_1,\dots,p_n\}\subset\mathbb{R}^d$. For each $i\in\{1,\dots,n\}$ define a polynomial in $d$ variables \[ F_i(x):=\prod_{t=1}^m \big(\|x-p_i\|^2-\delta_t\big). \] Each factor $\|x-p_i\|^2-\delta_t$ is a polynomial of total degree $2$ in $x$, hence $F_i$ has total degree $2m$. Now evaluate at the points $p_j$:
  • If $j\ne i$, then $\|p_j-p_i\|^2$ equals one of the $\delta_t$, so one factor vanishes and hence $F_i(p_j)=0$.
  • If $j=i$, then $F_i(p_i)=\prod_{t=1}^m(0-\delta_t)\ne 0$, since all $\delta_t>0$ (distinct points).
Therefore the $n\times n$ matrix $M=(F_i(p_j))_{i,j}$ is diagonal with nonzero diagonal entries, so it is invertible. In particular, $F_1,\dots,F_n$ are linearly independent in the vector space of real polynomials in $d$ variables of total degree at most $2m$. The dimension of that space is $\binom{d+2m}{d}$ (number of monomials of total degree $\le 2m$ in $d$ variables). Hence $n\le \binom{d+2m}{d}$.

For the asymptotic consequence: for fixed $d$, $\binom{d+2m}{d}\le C_d (2m)^d$ for a constant $C_d$ (e.g. $C_d=1/d!$ times a factor depending only on $d$). Thus $n\le C'_d m^d$, so $m\ge c_d n^{1/d}$. ∎

Lemma (Grid/lattice upper bound): For each integer $k\ge 2$, let $P=[0,k-1]^d\cap \mathbb{Z}^d$ so $|P|=k^d$. Then \[ |\Delta(P)|\le d(k-1)^2. \] Consequently, for all $n$ there exists a set of $n$ points in $\mathbb{R}^d$ determining at most $C_d n^{2/d}$ distinct distances.
Proof: For $x,y\in P$, the squared distance is $\|x-y\|^2=\sum_{j=1}^d (x_j-y_j)^2$. Each coordinate difference $x_j-y_j$ is an integer in $[-(k-1),k-1]$, so $(x_j-y_j)^2\in\{0,1,\dots,(k-1)^2\}$. Hence $\|x-y\|^2\in\{0,1,\dots,d(k-1)^2\}$. Excluding $0$ (which corresponds to $x=y$) shows there are at most $d(k-1)^2$ possible nonzero squared distances, and therefore at most that many distances.

Now given general $n$, choose $k=\lceil n^{1/d}\rceil$ and take any subset of $P$ of size $n$. This does not increase the number of distinct distances, and yields $|\Delta|\ll_d k^2\ll_d n^{2/d}$. ∎

VERIFICATION

  • The polynomial argument uses only that the set of squared distances has size $m$ and that all $\delta_t>0$; this holds for any set of distinct points.
  • Degree count: $\|x-p_i\|^2$ is a quadratic polynomial; the product over $m$ values has degree $2m$.
  • Grid bound counts possible squared distance values, giving an upper bound (not necessarily tight), which is all that is needed.

FINAL

UNRESOLVED.
  1. (i) Strongest proved partial result here: for fixed $d\ge 3$, $c_d n^{1/d}\le f_d(n)\le C_d n^{2/d}$, with fully proved lemmas above.
  2. (ii) First gap: improve the lower bound exponent to $2/d-o(1)$ (or disprove it) for any fixed $d\ge 3$.
  3. (iii) Top 3 next moves: $1$ sharpen the polynomial method by using a lower-degree basis tailored to the realized distance set; $2$ attempt incidence bounds between points and spheres to upper bound multiplicities of distances and force more distinct values; $3$ computational search in $d=3$ for extremal configurations for modest $n$ to guess extremizers beyond grids.
  4. (iv) Minimal counterexample structure (if the conjectured $n^{2/d-o(1)}$ fails): families of $n$-point sets in fixed $\mathbb{R}^d$ with unusually many repeated distances, plausibly coming from highly structured algebraic varieties (unions of spheres/cylinders/cones) rather than full-dimensional lattices.

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