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Erdős Problem #1021

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Statement

Fix an integer $k\ge 3$. Let $G_k$ be the bipartite graph with parts \[ Y:=\{y_1,\dots,y_k\},\qquad Z:=\{z_{ij}: 1\le i<j\le k\},\quad |Z|=\binom{k}{2}, \] where each $z_{ij}$ is adjacent to $y_i$ and $y_j$ and has no other neighbors. Let $\mathrm{ex}(n,G_k)$ be the Turán number: the maximum number of edges in an $n$-vertex graph containing no subgraph isomorphic to $G_k$. The question asks whether for every $k\ge 3$ there exists $c_k>0$ such that \[ \mathrm{ex}(n,G_k) \ll n^{3/2-c_k} \qquad\text{as } n\to\infty. \]

Restatement from Math-6075-A2 r1, with the source manuscript’s qualifications.

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Math-6075-A1 · No claim recorded · LLM-generated · gpt 6 astra ultra ·

GPT 6 Astra Ultra attempt on Math-6075

Erdős Problem 1021

Statement and result.
Let $G_k$ be the 1-subdivision of $K_k$: its $k$ branch vertices have one distinct degree-two subdivision vertex for each pair. For fixed $k\geq3$, we reconstruct Janzer's bound \[ \operatorname{ex}(N,G_k)=O_k\left(N^{3/2-1/(4k-6)}\right). \tag{1} \] This answers the question affirmatively with $c_k=1/(4k-6)$. The proof supplies the light-edge argument and all distinctness checks; an almost-regular reduction is stated as an external input. In particular, $k=3$ gives exponent $4/3$. The $7/6$ side remark for $C_6$ on the problem page is erroneous and is not used here; Janzer's primary paper explicitly gives $\operatorname{ex}(N,C_6)=\Theta(N^{4/3})$.
The one structural reduction.
We use the Conlon--Lee regularization lemma, stated as Lemma 6 in Janzer's paper. For each fixed $0<\alpha<1$, there is a constant $K=K(\alpha)$ such that, for large $N$, a graph with at least $C N^{1+\alpha}$ edges, $C\geq1$, contains a bipartite graph on $m$ vertices with \[ m\geq N^{\alpha(1-\alpha)/(2(1+\alpha))},\qquad e\geq(C/10)m^{1+\alpha}. \] Its two parts $A,B$ satisfy $|B|/2\leq|A|\leq2|B|$, and its maximum degree is at most $K$ times its minimum degree. This lemma is external. We will prove that such a graph contains $G_k$ whenever, putting $|B|=n$, its degrees lie in $[\delta,K\delta]$ with \[ \delta\geq c\,n^{\alpha},\qquad \alpha=\frac{k-2}{2k-3}, \tag{2} \] for a sufficiently large constant $c=c(k,K)$.
Codegrees, light edges, and the heavy obstruction.
For $u,v\in A$, let $w(u,v)=|N(u)\cap N(v)|$. Put \[ h=\binom k2,\qquad M=k+1,\qquad D=32M^3. \] Call a pair light if $1\leq w(u,v)<h$, and heavy if $w(u,v)\geq h$. A clique of $k$ heavy pairs immediately gives $G_k$: process its $h$ pairs in any order and choose a fresh common neighbor for each, since at most $h-1$ choices are excluded at any step. Hence in a $G_k$-free graph the graph formed by heavy pairs is $K_k$-free.

For $U\subseteq A$, write $W(U)=\sum_{\{u,v\}\subset U}w(u,v)$. Counting common neighbors in $B$, followed by the mean-square inequality, shows that if $\delta|U|\geq2n$, then \[ W(U)=\sum_{b\in B}\binom{|N(b)\cap U|}{2} \geq\frac{\delta^2}{2n}\binom{|U|}{2}. \tag{3} \] Indeed, with $S=\sum_b|N(b)\cap U|\geq\delta|U|$, the sum is at least $(S^2/n-S)/2\geq S^2/(4n)$, which is at least the right side of $3$.

Large total codegree forces many light pairs.
Suppose $W(U)\geq8M^2n$. For each $b\in B$ put $q_b=|N(b)\cap U|$. Those with $q_b<2(k-1)$ contribute at most $2(k-1)^2n\leq W(U)/4$ to $W(U)$. Thus the other vertices contribute at least $W(U)/2$.

On the $q_b$ neighbors of any such vertex, every pair has positive codegree. The classical Turán bound for the $K_k$-free heavy graph shows that at least \[ \binom{q_b}{2}-\left(1-\frac1{k-1}\right)\frac{q_b^2}{2} \geq\frac{q_b^2}{4(k-1)} \] pairs are light. Summing these inequalities counts each light pair fewer than $h$ times. Consequently the number of distinct light pairs in $U$ is at least \[ \frac{W(U)}{4M^3}. \tag{4} \] The constant in $4$ is deliberately weakened: the preceding estimates give $W(U)/(4(k-1)(h-1))$, which is at least $4$.

Combining $3$--$4$, whenever \[ |U|\geq8M n/\delta\quad\text{and}\quad |U|\geq2, \] the light graph on $U$ has at least \[ \frac{\delta^2}{8M^3n}\binom{|U|}{2} =4\rho\binom{|U|}{2}\quad\text{edges}, \qquad\rho=\frac{\delta^2}{Dn}. \tag{5} \] The size assumption ensures $W(U)\geq\delta^2|U|^2/(8n)\geq8M^2n$, as needed. For sufficiently large $n$, $2$ and $|A|\geq n/2$ let us apply $5$ to $A$. If $4\rho>1$, $5$ is already impossible. We may therefore assume $0<\rho\leq1/4$.

Choosing the branch vertices without triple collisions.
We construct $u_1,\ldots,u_{k-1}\in A$ such that all their pairs are light, no vertex of $B$ is adjacent to three of them, and their common light-neighbor set has size at least $\rho^i|A|$ after $i$ choices.

Before choice $i$, let $U_0$ be the common light-neighbor set of the previous choices, with $U_0=A$ when $i=1$. Remove a vertex $v$ if it shares a neighbor in $B$ with some pair of previous choices. A previous light pair has fewer than $h$ common neighbors, each of degree at most $K\delta$. Therefore at most \[ \binom{i-1}{2}hK\delta \tag{6} \] vertices are removed.

These deletions leave at least half of $U_0$, for all sufficiently large $n$. To see this uniformly for $i\leq k-1$, use $\rho\leq1$, $|A|\geq n/2$, and $2$: \[ \frac{|U_0|}{\delta} \geq\frac{\rho^{k-2}n}{2\delta} =\frac{\delta^{2k-5}}{2D^{k-2}n^{k-3}} \gg n^{1/(2k-3)}\longrightarrow\infty. \tag{7} \] Write $U$ for the remaining set. Choosing $c$ sufficiently large also ensures \[ |U|\geq\frac{\rho^{k-2}n}{4} =\frac{\delta^{2k-4}}{4D^{k-2}n^{k-3}} \geq\frac{8Mn}{\delta}, \tag{8} \] since $8$ is implied by $c^{2k-3}\geq32M D^{k-2}$. The sets tend to infinity in size, so the other size condition in $5$ also holds.

By $5$, some $u_i\in U$ has at least \[ 4\rho(|U|-1)\geq2\rho|U| \geq\rho|U_0|\geq\rho^i|A| \] light neighbors in $U$. All of them are common light neighbors of the previous choices. The removal rule verifies the condition on three chosen vertices, so the induction proceeds.

After $k-1$ choices the remaining common light-neighbor set $V$ has \[ \frac{|V|}{\delta} \geq\frac{\rho^{k-1}n}{2\delta} =\frac{\delta^{2k-3}}{2D^{k-1}n^{k-2}} \geq\frac{c^{2k-3}}{2D^{k-1}}. \] Increase $c$, if necessary, so that this exceeds $\binom{k-1}{2}hK$. Removing the vertices sharing a common neighbor with a pair of chosen vertices, as in $6$, leaves a choice of $u_k$. All $k$ vertices are distinct because a vertex is never its own light neighbor.

Each pair of branch vertices now has a common neighbor in $B$, and none of these neighbors can serve two different pairs: it would then be adjacent to at least three distinct branch vertices, which was excluded. Choosing one neighbor for each pair therefore gives distinct subdivision vertices. The two bipartition classes keep all subdivision vertices separate from all branch vertices. This is a copy of $G_k$, the required contradiction.

Transferring back to arbitrary graphs.
Apply the external reduction with the value $\alpha$ in $2$. In the resulting almost-regular graph, the minimum degree is at least \[ \frac{2e}{Km}\geq\frac{C}{5K}m^\alpha \geq\frac{C}{5K}n^\alpha. \] Take $C\geq5Kc$. Its order tends to infinity by the reduction's stated power bound, so the embedding argument applies. Thus every sufficiently large graph of edge count at least $CN^{1+\alpha}$ contains $G_k$. Since $1+\alpha=3/2-1/(4k-6)$, this proves $1$; enlarging the constant handles the finitely many small orders.
Attribution and assessment.
This is a reconstruction of O. Janzer, Improved bounds for the extremal number of subdivisions, Electronic Journal of Combinatorics 26$3$ $2019$, P3.3, especially Lemmas 6, 8, 10, Corollary 11, and the proof of Theorem 7 with $s=1$: https://doi.org/10.37236/8262, https://arxiv.org/abs/1809.00468. The almost-regular reduction and the classical Turán theorem are explicit external inputs. The codegree estimates, selection procedure, constants, injectivity, and transfer are provided above. Source statement: https://www.erdosproblems.com/1021, checked 24 September 2026. No novelty or local Lean verification is claimed.

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Math-6075-A2 · No claim recorded · LLM-generated · gpt pro 5.2 ·

gpt pro 5.2 attempt on Math-6075

FORMAL RESTATEMENT. Fix an integer $k\ge 3$. Let $G_k$ be the bipartite graph with parts \[ Y:=\{y_1,\dots,y_k\},\qquad Z:=\{z_{ij}: 1\le i<j\le k\},\quad |Z|=\binom{k}{2}, \] where each $z_{ij}$ is adjacent to $y_i$ and $y_j$ and has no other neighbors. Let $\mathrm{ex}(n,G_k)$ be the Turán number: the maximum number of edges in an $n$-vertex graph containing no subgraph isomorphic to $G_k$. The question asks whether for every $k\ge 3$ there exists $c_k>0$ such that \[ \mathrm{ex}(n,G_k) \ll n^{3/2-c_k} \qquad\text{as } n\to\infty. \]

QUICK LITERATURE/CONTEXT CHECK. The problem statement notes that for $k=3$ one has $G_3=C_6$ and that a strong bound $\mathrm{ex}(n,C_6)\ll n^{7/6}$ is known (per the extracted text). It also says it is not even known in general whether $\mathrm{ex}(n,G_k)=o(n^{3/2})$.

ATTACK PLAN. Upper-bound track: Use that $G_k$ is a subgraph of the complete bipartite graph $K_{k,\binom{k}{2}}$, so any $G_k$-free graph is also $K_{k,\binom{k}{2}}$-free; then apply a Kővári--Sós--Turán type counting argument. Sharpening track (for small $k$): For $k=3$, prove a (weaker than the best-known) power saving for $C_6$ via counting length-3 paths.

WORK.

Lemma 1 (Kővári--Sós--Turán bound for $K_{s,t}$, with proof). Let $s\ge 2$ and $t\ge 2$ be integers. If $G$ is a bipartite graph with parts $(A,B)$, $|A|=m$, $|B|=n$, and $G$ contains no copy of $K_{s,t}$ with the $s$ vertices in $A$ and the $t$ vertices in $B$, then \[ |E(G)| \le (t-1)^{1/s}\, n\, m^{1-1/s} + (s-1)n. \]

Proof. For each vertex $b\in B$, let $d(b)$ be its degree into $A$. Count the number of pairs $(S,b)$ where $S\subseteq N(b)$ and $|S|=s$. On one hand, \[ \sum_{b\in B} \binom{d(b)}{s} \] counts these pairs. On the other hand, for a fixed $s$-subset $S\subseteq A$, the number of $b\in B$ adjacent to all vertices of $S$ is the common neighborhood size $|N(S)|$. The $K_{s,t}$-free assumption implies $|N(S)|\le t-1$ for every $S$. Therefore \[ \sum_{b\in B} \binom{d(b)}{s} = \sum_{S\in\binom{A}{s}} |N(S)| \le (t-1)\binom{m}{s}. \] Now use the convexity bound: for $x\ge s-1$, one has \[ \binom{x}{s} = \frac{x(x-1)\cdots(x-s+1)}{s!} \ge \frac{(x-s+1)^s}{s!}. \] Applying this with $x=d(b)$ gives \[ \sum_{b\in B}\frac{(d(b)-s+1)^s}{s!} \le \sum_{b\in B} \binom{d(b)}{s} \le (t-1)\binom{m}{s} \le (t-1)\frac{m^s}{s!}. \] Multiply by $s!$ and apply that $\sum (d(b)-s+1)^s \ge n\left(\frac{\sum(d(b)-s+1)}{n}\right)^s$ by convexity of $u\mapsto u^s$ on $\mathbb{R}_{\ge 0}$: \[ \left(\sum_{b\in B}(d(b)-s+1)\right)^s \le n^{s-1}\sum_{b\in B}(d(b)-s+1)^s \le n^{s-1}(t-1)m^s. \] Taking $s$th roots yields \[ \sum_{b\in B}(d(b)-s+1) \le (t-1)^{1/s} n^{1-1/s} m. \] Since $\sum_{b\in B} d(b)=|E(G)|$, this becomes \[ |E(G)| - (s-1)n \le (t-1)^{1/s} n^{1-1/s} m. \] Rewriting gives the claimed inequality. $\square$

Corollary 1 (a general but weak bound for $\mathrm{ex}(n,G_k)$). For fixed $k\ge 3$, \[ \mathrm{ex}(n,G_k) \ll n^{2-1/k}. \]

Proof. Because $G_k$ is a subgraph of $K_{k,\binom{k}{2}}$, any graph that contains $K_{k,\binom{k}{2}}$ also contains $G_k$. Hence every $G_k$-free graph is $K_{k,\binom{k}{2}}$-free, so $\mathrm{ex}(n,G_k)\le \mathrm{ex}(n,K_{k,\binom{k}{2}})$. It is standard (and easy to check) that extremal graphs for $K_{k,t}$ can be taken bipartite: deleting edges inside the parts cannot create a $K_{k,t}$. Applying Lemma 1 with $s=k$ and $t=\binom{k}{2}$ in the balanced case $m\asymp n\asymp n/2$ gives $\mathrm{ex}(n,K_{k,t})=O(n^{2-1/k})$, hence the claim. $\square$

Lemma 2 (a complete but weak bound for $C_6=G_3$). Every $C_6$-free graph is $K_{3,3}$-free. Consequently, \[ \mathrm{ex}(n,C_6)\le \mathrm{ex}(n,K_{3,3}) \ll n^{5/3}. \]

Proof. First, any copy of $K_{3,3}$ contains a $6$-cycle: if the bipartition is $\{a_1,a_2,a_3\}\cup\{b_1,b_2,b_3\}$ with all cross-edges present, then \[ a_1-b_1-a_2-b_2-a_3-b_3-a_1 \] traverses distinct vertices and is a (simple) cycle of length $6$. Therefore, if a graph contains $K_{3,3}$ then it contains $C_6$, so a $C_6$-free graph is necessarily $K_{3,3}$-free. This gives $\mathrm{ex}(n,C_6)\le \mathrm{ex}(n,K_{3,3})$.

To bound $\mathrm{ex}(n,K_{3,3})$, it is enough to consider bipartite graphs: given any $n$-vertex graph, take a maximum cut and keep only the crossing edges; this produces a bipartite subgraph with at least half the edges, and deleting edges cannot create a forbidden $K_{3,3}$. Now apply Lemma 1 with $s=t=3$ to a bipartite graph with $m\asymp n\asymp n/2$ vertices on each side. Lemma 1 yields \[ |E(G)| \le 2^{1/3}\,|B|\,|A|^{2/3} + 2|B| = O((|A|+|B|)^{5/3}), \] which implies $\mathrm{ex}(n,K_{3,3})\ll n^{5/3}$ and hence the displayed bound for $\mathrm{ex}(n,C_6)$. $\square$

FAST REALITY CHECK. Exact enumeration for $n\le 7$ gives: \[ \mathrm{ex}(3,C_6)=3,\ \mathrm{ex}(4,C_6)=6,\ \mathrm{ex}(5,C_6)=10,\ \mathrm{ex}(6,C_6)=11,\ \mathrm{ex}(7,C_6)=13. \]

VERIFICATION. Lemma 1 and Corollary 1 are complete. Lemma 2 is complete.

FINAL. UNRESOLVED

(i) Strongest proved partial result: a complete proof of the Kővári--Sós--Turán bound (Lemma 1), the resulting general estimate $\mathrm{ex}(n,G_k)=O(n^{2-1/k})$, and the elementary reduction $\mathrm{ex}(n,C_6)\le\mathrm{ex}(n,K_{3,3})=O(n^{5/3})$ (Lemma 2).

(ii) First gap (crisp): prove any exponent strictly below $3/2$ for $\mathrm{ex}(n,G_k)$ (even $\mathrm{ex}(n,G_k)=o(n^{3/2})$) for a fixed $k\ge 4$. (For $k=3$ the extracted problem text states a much stronger bound $\mathrm{ex}(n,C_6)\ll n^{7/6}$, but I have not reproduced that proof here.)

(iii) Top 3 next moves: 1. For $k=3$, complete a clean $O(n^{4/3})$ proof by a careful count of 3-paths and an application of Cauchy--Schwarz to codegrees (using both bipartition sides). 2. For general $k$, reinterpret $G_k$-containment in terms of selecting $k$ vertices with many pairwise-distinct common neighbors, and attempt to bound such configurations via codegree energy. 3. Compute $\mathrm{ex}(n,G_4)$ for small $n$ by brute force / SAT (very small $n$) to detect plausible growth rates and extremal constructions.

(iv) Minimal counterexample structure: if the conjectured power saving fails for some fixed $k$, there should exist $G_k$-free graphs with $\Omega(n^{3/2})$ edges. Such graphs would have average degree $\Omega(n^{1/2})$ while avoiding a configuration where $k$ vertices have pairwise codegrees that can be chosen disjointly across all pairs.

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