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Decidability and Finiteness of Rational Joint Spectral Radii

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Standard number systems are denoted by $\mathbb N,\mathbb Z,\mathbb Q,\mathbb R,\mathbb C$; index ranges, computational models and specialized notation follow the cited problem source and the definitions below.

The joint spectral radius is $\rho(\mathcal A)=\limsup_{k\to\infty}\max_{i_1,\ldots,i_k}\lVert A_{i_k}\cdots A_{i_1}\rVert^{1/k}$. Finite-product attainment means equality with $\rho(A_{i_k}\cdots A_{i_1})^{1/k}$ for some product, where the latter is ordinary spectral radius.

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For rational matrices $A_1,\ldots,A_m$, is there an algorithm that halts in finite time and decides whether their joint spectral radius is strictly less than $1$? If the matrices have rational entries, is the joint spectral radius always attained by the spectral radius of a finite product, i.e., does equality hold for some finite product length $k$? [S2]
Scope qualification.
The strict inequality $\rho<1$ and rational-entry finiteness question are distinct targets; neither is replaced by a non-strict test or real-entry variant.
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Decide strict stability of rational matrix families and determine whether their growth rate is always realized by a finite product.

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  • S1 Ulam AI and the UnsolvedMath Contributors, UnsolvedMath: A Curated Collection of Open Mathematics Problems, record 30002558 (OWR-12975-002). Catalogue curation and metadata: CC BY 4.0. The supplied source question is retained; definitions and the English summary are editorial additions. https://huggingface.co/datasets/ulamai/UnsolvedMath.
  • S2 Real Algebraic Geometry With A View Toward Systems Control and Free Positivity (2015), Oberwolfach Reports, DOI 10.4171/owr/2014/17, pp. 977--1045 https://doi.org/10.4171/owr/2014/17.
  • S3 Blondel--Tsitsiklis, Systems and Control Letters https://doi.org/10.1016/S0167-6911(00)00049-9.
  • S4 On the finiteness property for rational matrices https://arxiv.org/abs/math/0702489. Underlying Oberwolfach Reports material retains its source-specific licence, including CC BY-SA 4.0 where applicable; see THIRD_PARTY_NOTICES.md.
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Decidability and Finiteness of Rational Joint Spectral Radii

Definitions and mathematical statement

Shared notation.
Standard number systems are denoted by $\mathbb N,\mathbb Z,\mathbb Q,\mathbb R,\mathbb C$; index ranges, computational models and specialized notation follow the cited problem source and the definitions below.

The joint spectral radius is $\rho(\mathcal A)=\limsup_{k\to\infty}\max_{i_1,\ldots,i_k}\lVert A_{i_k}\cdots A_{i_1}\rVert^{1/k}$. Finite-product attainment means equality with $\rho(A_{i_k}\cdots A_{i_1})^{1/k}$ for some product, where the latter is ordinary spectral radius.

Statement recorded in the supplied source.
For rational matrices $A_1,\ldots,A_m$, is there an algorithm that halts in finite time and decides whether their joint spectral radius is strictly less than $1$? If the matrices have rational entries, is the joint spectral radius always attained by the spectral radius of a finite product, i.e., does equality hold for some finite product length $k$? [S2]
Scope qualification.
The strict inequality $\rho<1$ and rational-entry finiteness question are distinct targets; neither is replaced by a non-strict test or real-entry variant.
Source status.
The supplied catalogue labels this record open. Its source-status metadata was checked against the supplied snapshot on 2026-10-11. This import does not independently establish current open status or mathematical correctness. The catalogue literature assessment is dated 2026-08-21.

Short English statement

Decide strict stability of rational matrix families and determine whether their growth rate is always realized by a finite product.

Sources

  • S1 Ulam AI and the UnsolvedMath Contributors, UnsolvedMath: A Curated Collection of Open Mathematics Problems, record 30002558 (OWR-12975-002). Catalogue curation and metadata: CC BY 4.0. The supplied source question is retained; definitions and the English summary are editorial additions. https://huggingface.co/datasets/ulamai/UnsolvedMath.
  • S2 Real Algebraic Geometry With A View Toward Systems Control and Free Positivity $2015$, Oberwolfach Reports, DOI 10.4171/owr/2014/17, pp. 977--1045 https://doi.org/10.4171/owr/2014/17.
  • S3 Blondel--Tsitsiklis, Systems and Control Letters https://doi.org/10.1016/S0167-6911(00)00049-9.
  • S4 On the finiteness property for rational matrices https://arxiv.org/abs/math/0702489. Underlying Oberwolfach Reports material retains its source-specific licence, including CC BY-SA 4.0 where applicable; see THIRD_PARTY_NOTICES.md.
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Finite-product search gives a one-sided procedure

Let $\mathcal A$ be a finite nonempty set of rational square matrices of the same size. For $k\ge1$, define $a_k$ to be the largest induced row-sum norm of a product of $k$ members of $\mathcal A$, and let $\rho=\limsup_{k\to\infty}a_k^{1/k}$. This is the usual joint spectral radius norm formulation. We test exact enumeration as a route to deciding strict stability.
Proposition: Enumerating products and stopping when $a_k<1$ is a correct procedure that halts on every instance with $\rho<1$. It does not supply a termination guarantee when $\rho\ge1$.
Proof: The induced norm is submultiplicative, so $a_{u+v}\le a_ua_v$, with $a_0=1$. If $a_k<1$, write $N=qk+r$ with $0\le r<k$. Then \[ a_N\le a_k^q\max_{0\le j<k}a_j. \] If $a_k=0$, all sufficiently long products vanish and $\rho=0$. Otherwise, taking $N$th roots and the limit superior gives $\rho\le a_k^{1/k}<1$. Conversely, if $\rho<1$, choose $c$ strictly between $\rho$ and 1. The definition of limit superior implies $a_k^{1/k}<c$ for all sufficiently large $k$, so enumeration eventually finds $a_k<1$. At each fixed $k$ there are finitely many products and their rational entries and row-sum norms can be computed and compared exactly. On a nonstable input no such certificate can occur, but this enumeration does not produce a finite negative certificate. ∎
Checking the eigenvalues of individual matrices is insufficient. Consider \[ A=\begin{pmatrix}0&1\\0&0\end{pmatrix},\qquad B=\begin{pmatrix}0&0\\1&0\end{pmatrix}. \] Both are nilpotent, but $AB=\operatorname{diag}(1,0)$. All products have row-sum norm at most 1, while arbitrarily long alternating products have norm 1, so their joint spectral radius is exactly 1. Multiplying both matrices by $1/2$ instead gives $a_k=2^{-k}$ and joint spectral radius $1/2$.

Verification and remaining gaps

All products through length eight were enumerated with exact rational arithmetic in these two examples. The unscaled case never produces the strict certificate; the scaled case does so at length one. The attempted route therefore proves only semidecision of strict stability. It neither decides the boundary nor proves finite-product attainment of the joint spectral radius. The 2007 primary paper was read for its historical finiteness/decidability connection; its then-current status statements are not asserted to describe the complete 2026 literature. No new decision theorem or finiteness result is claimed.

References and source attribution

Primary workshop report: https://doi.org/10.4171/owr/2014/17. Relevant passages read: 2014/17 pp. 988--990, joint spectral radius, stability, rank-one families, finiteness and strict-stability questions.

https://arxiv.org/abs/math/0702489. Read Jungers and Blondel primary abstract on boundedness/finiteness/decidability and nonnegative rational matrices; treated as a historical 2007 source, not a current comprehensive status check.

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