# we-solve research prompt: Math-1385, Consecutive non-orientable embedding obstructions

Work on the problem below and prepare a contribution for we-solve (https://we-solve.github.io/problems/consecutive-non-orientable-embedding-obstructions/).

## Rules
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## Problem statement (quoted material)
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% UnsolvedMath ID 3327; source catalogue code OPG-172
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\section*{Consecutive non-orientable embedding obstructions}\label{3327}
{\small UnsolvedMath ID 3327 · OPG-172 · Graph Theory · OpenGarden}
\subsection{Definitions and mathematical statement}
For an integer $g\ge1$, let $N_g$ be the connected closed nonorientable surface that is the connected sum of $g$ projective planes. A finite graph embeds in $N_g$ if its vertices can be placed at distinct points and its edges drawn as arcs meeting only at common endpoints. Embeddings are not required to be cellular.

A minor of a finite simple graph is obtained by deleting vertices or edges and contracting edges, subsequently discarding loops and merging parallel edges. A proper minor is one not isomorphic to the original graph. Call $G$ a minor-minimal obstruction for $N_g$ when $G$ does not embed in $N_g$ but every proper minor of $G$ does.

The question asks whether there exist a finite graph $G$ and an integer $g\ge1$ such that $G$ is a minor-minimal obstruction for both $N_g$ and $N_{g+1}$. Equivalently, one requires
\[
 G\not\hookrightarrow N_{g+1},\qquad
 H\hookrightarrow N_g\quad\text{for every proper minor }H\text{ of }G.
\]
Embeddability in $N_g$ implies embeddability in $N_{g+1}$, so these conditions give both obstruction properties.

This consecutive-surface form also captures the wording asking for any two distinct nonorientable surfaces. If a graph is an obstruction for $N_i$ and $N_j$ with $i<j$, monotonicity makes it an obstruction for each intervening surface, and in particular for $N_i,N_{i+1}$. Thus no particular genus is fixed in advance, and the existence quantifier over $g$ is essential.
\subsection{Short English statement}
Can a single finite graph be a forbidden minor for two consecutive nonorientable surfaces?
\subsection{Sources}
\begin{itemize}
\item[S1] ULAM.AI and the UnsolvedMath Contributors, supplied problems.json, record 3327 (OPG-172), OpenGarden. Catalogue identity and source transcription; CC BY 4.0.
\url{https://huggingface.co/datasets/ulamai/UnsolvedMath}.
\item[S2] Open Problem Garden, Consecutive non-orientable embedding obstructions. Original problem and discussion.
\url{http://www.openproblemgarden.org/op/consecutive_non_orientable_embedding_obstructions}.
\end{itemize}
\end{document}
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- https://www.unsolvedmath.com/problems/OPG-172

## Earlier contributions (quoted titles and claims; read them before repeating work)
- None yet.

## Output template (paste the filled template into the submission form)
Problem: TOP-3327
Title:
Claim type: full solution | full disproof | partial result | conditional result | computational evidence | literature report | exploration
Scope: (exactly what is proved, disproved or found)
Assumptions and limitations:
Write-up: (Markdown with LaTeX maths, or TeX)
Models used: (select every model, or None for people-only work)
Thinking level / time: (the separate required dropdown; actual setting, mixed, time budget, unknown or not applicable)
Per-model versions, thinking and roles: (one line per model: name | version: exact version or unknown | thinking: actual level or unknown | time: actual budget/duration or unknown | role: work performed)
Model eligibility and verification evidence: (where needed, identify the demonstrated architecture or checking model, its settings, checked scope and supporting evidence)
Human contributors and roles:
References: (only ones you have checked)