# we-solve research prompt: Math-1231, Kourovka Notebook Problem 21.65

Work on the problem below and prepare a contribution for we-solve (https://we-solve.github.io/problems/kourovka-notebook-problem-21-65/).

## Rules
- The archive includes some of the hardest research problems. Submit only significant contributions to challenging problems. Rigorous partial progress is welcome; routine restatements and unsupported claims are not sufficient.
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## Problem statement (quoted material)
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% UnsolvedMath ID 2574; source catalogue code KOU-21.65
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\section*{Kourovka Notebook Problem 21.65}\label{2574}
{\small UnsolvedMath ID 2574 · KOU-21.65 · Group Theory · Kourovka Notebook - New Problems, Issue 21}
\subsection{Definitions and mathematical statement}
For a finite soluble group $L$, its Fitting height $h(L)$ is the
least length $h$ of a normal series
$1=L_0\trianglelefteq\cdots\trianglelefteq L_h=L$ having nilpotent
factors; set $h(1)=0$. A group is nilpotent when its lower central
series terminates at $1$. Solubility means that the derived series,
obtained by repeatedly taking commutator subgroups, terminates.

Let $\phi\in\operatorname{Aut}(G)$ for a finite soluble group $G$.
Write $m=|\phi|$ for the order of the automorphism and
$s=|C_G(\phi)|$, where
$C_G(\phi)=\{g\in G:\phi(g)=g\}$.
Part (a) asks whether functions $f(m,s)$ and $a(m)$ exist such that
every such pair $(G,\phi)$ has a subgroup $H\le G$ satisfying
\[
 [G:H]\le f(m,s),\qquad h(H)\le a(m).
\]
Part (b) asks the stronger height bound $h(H)\le b(\Omega(m))$,
while still allowing the index bound to depend on $m,s$.
Here $\Omega(m)$ is the number of prime factors of $m$ counted with
multiplicity, with $\Omega(1)=0$. This is the composition length of
the cyclic group $\langle\phi\rangle$.

All bounding functions must work for every group and automorphism
with the indicated parameters. The subgroup may depend on both.
It is not required to be normal or $\phi$-invariant. Neither question
assumes the automorphism order is coprime to $|G|$. In particular,
part (b) allows the primes themselves to vary while keeping their
total multiplicity fixed.
\subsection{Short English statement}
Does a finite soluble group admit a bounded-index subgroup of Fitting height controlled solely by the order, or the composition length, of a given automorphism?
\subsection{Sources}
\begin{itemize}
\item[S1] ULAM.AI and the UnsolvedMath Contributors, supplied problems.json, record 2574 (KOU-21.65), Kourovka Notebook - New Problems, Issue 21. Catalogue identity and source transcription; CC BY 4.0.
\url{https://huggingface.co/datasets/ulamai/UnsolvedMath}.
\item[S2] The Kourovka Notebook, 21st edition, new problems, Problem 21.65. Expanded formulation of the supplied catalogue statement.
\url{https://arxiv.org/pdf/1401.0300v47}.
\end{itemize}
\end{document}
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- https://www.unsolvedmath.com/problems/KOU-21.65

## Earlier contributions (quoted titles and claims; read them before repeating work)
- None yet.

## Output template (paste the filled template into the submission form)
Problem: TOP-2574
Title:
Claim type: full solution | full disproof | partial result | conditional result | computational evidence | literature report | exploration
Scope: (exactly what is proved, disproved or found)
Assumptions and limitations:
Write-up: (Markdown with LaTeX maths, or TeX)
Models used: (select every model, or None for people-only work)
Thinking level / time: (the separate required dropdown; actual setting, mixed, time budget, unknown or not applicable)
Per-model versions, thinking and roles: (one line per model: name | version: exact version or unknown | thinking: actual level or unknown | time: actual budget/duration or unknown | role: work performed)
Model eligibility and verification evidence: (where needed, identify the demonstrated architecture or checking model, its settings, checked scope and supporting evidence)
Human contributors and roles:
References: (only ones you have checked)