# we-solve research prompt: Math-1230, Kourovka Notebook Problem 21.64

Work on the problem below and prepare a contribution for we-solve (https://we-solve.github.io/problems/kourovka-notebook-problem-21-64/).

## Rules
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## Problem statement (quoted material)
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% UnsolvedMath ID 2573; source catalogue code KOU-21.64
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\section*{Kourovka Notebook Problem 21.64}\label{2573}
{\small UnsolvedMath ID 2573 · KOU-21.64 · Group Theory · Kourovka Notebook - New Problems, Issue 21}
\subsection{Definitions and mathematical statement}
Let $p$ be a prime. A finite group $G$ is $p$-soluble if it has a
normal series whose factors are either $p$-groups or $p'$-groups,
where a $p'$-group has order prime to $p$. Its $p$-length
$\ell_p(G)$ is the smallest number of nontrivial $p$-group factors
in any such series; intervening $p'$-factors are not counted.
All terms of a normal series are normal in its ambient group.

Choose a Sylow $p$-subgroup $P\le G$, so $|P|$ is the largest power
of $p$ dividing $|G|$, and let $A\trianglelefteq P$ have exponent
$p^e$. The exponent is the least positive integer annihilating every
element by powering. The normal closure of $A$ in $G$ is
\[
 N=\langle A^g:g\in G\rangle,
 \qquad A^g=g^{-1}Ag.
\]
It is a normal $p$-soluble subgroup of $G$, although it need not be
a $p$-group.

Is there a function $f$ depending only on $p$ and $e$ such that
$\ell_p(N)\le f(p,e)$ for every choice of $G,P,A$ above? More
strongly, can one choose a function $b(e)$ independent of the prime
with $\ell_p(N)\le b(e)$ in all cases?
The bounds must be independent of $|G|$, $|A|$, the index of $P$,
and the number of conjugates needed to generate $N$. Normality of $A$
is assumed inside $P$ only, not inside $G$. The case $A=1$, with
exponent $p^0=1$, has $\ell_p(N)=0$.
\subsection{Short English statement}
Is the p-length of the normal closure of a normal Sylow-subgroup part bounded by its exponent and the prime, or even by the exponent parameter alone?
\subsection{Sources}
\begin{itemize}
\item[S1] ULAM.AI and the UnsolvedMath Contributors, supplied problems.json, record 2573 (KOU-21.64), Kourovka Notebook - New Problems, Issue 21. Catalogue identity and source transcription; CC BY 4.0.
\url{https://huggingface.co/datasets/ulamai/UnsolvedMath}.
\item[S2] The Kourovka Notebook, 21st edition, new problems, Problem 21.64. Expanded formulation of the supplied catalogue statement.
\url{https://arxiv.org/pdf/1401.0300v47}.
\end{itemize}
\end{document}
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- https://www.unsolvedmath.com/problems/KOU-21.64

## Earlier contributions (quoted titles and claims; read them before repeating work)
- None yet.

## Output template (paste the filled template into the submission form)
Problem: TOP-2573
Title:
Claim type: full solution | full disproof | partial result | conditional result | computational evidence | literature report | exploration
Scope: (exactly what is proved, disproved or found)
Assumptions and limitations:
Write-up: (Markdown with LaTeX maths, or TeX)
Models used: (select every model, or None for people-only work)
Thinking level / time: (the separate required dropdown; actual setting, mixed, time budget, unknown or not applicable)
Per-model versions, thinking and roles: (one line per model: name | version: exact version or unknown | thinking: actual level or unknown | time: actual budget/duration or unknown | role: work performed)
Model eligibility and verification evidence: (where needed, identify the demonstrated architecture or checking model, its settings, checked scope and supporting evidence)
Human contributors and roles:
References: (only ones you have checked)