# we-solve research prompt: Math-1823, Some Questions — Question 5

Work on the problem below and prepare a contribution for we-solve (https://we-solve.github.io/problems/some-questions-question-5/).

## Rules
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## Problem statement (quoted material)
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% UnsolvedMath ID 1200005; source catalogue code AMR-011-0005
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\section*{Some Questions — Question 5}\label{1200005}
{\small UnsolvedMath ID 1200005 · AMR-011-0005 · Group Theory · AMR Open Problem Lists}
\subsection{Definitions and mathematical statement}
Let $C_2$ be the cyclic group of order two. Define finite groups recursively by $W_1=C_2$ and
\[
 W_{n+1}=(W_n\times W_n)\rtimes C_2,
\]
where the nonidentity element of $C_2$ interchanges the two factors. Thus $W_n$ is the full automorphism group of the rooted binary tree of depth $n$, and specifies the permutational iterated wreath product convention unambiguously.

A nontrivial group word is a nonidentity element $w$ of a free group on finitely many variables. Its length $|w|$ is the number of letters in its freely reduced expression, counting inverses as single letters. The word is a law for $W_n$ if every assignment of its variables to elements of $W_n$ evaluates to the identity.

Define
\[
 \ell(n)=\min\{|w|:w\ne1\text{ is a law for }W_n\}.
\]
Determine the asymptotic growth of $\ell(n)$ as $n\to\infty$, with matching upper and lower estimates where possible. The number of variables may vary with the word; the minimization is not restricted to power words or a particular presentation. The power word $x^{2^n}$ is a law and supplies an elementary benchmark, but the problem is whether much shorter identities involving several variables can exist. A word becoming trivial only for selected assignments is not a law. The group parameter is the tree depth, rather than the logarithm of the group order.
\subsection{Short English statement}
How long is the shortest nontrivial identity in the automorphism group of a finite rooted binary tree?
\subsection{Sources}
\begin{itemize}
\item[S1] ULAM.AI and the UnsolvedMath Contributors, supplied problems.json, record 1200005 (AMR-011-0005), AMR Open Problem Lists. Catalogue identity and source transcription; CC BY 4.0.
\url{https://huggingface.co/datasets/ulamai/UnsolvedMath}.
\item[S2] Abert - Some questions (pdf) (2010), Question 5. Original source indexed by AMR-011-0005.
\url{https://www.renyi.hu/~abert/questions.pdf}.
\end{itemize}
\end{document}
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- https://www.unsolvedmath.com/problems/AMR-011-0005

## Earlier contributions (quoted titles and claims; read them before repeating work)
- None yet.

## Output template (paste the filled template into the submission form)
Problem: TOP-1200005
Title:
Claim type: full solution | full disproof | partial result | conditional result | computational evidence | literature report | exploration
Scope: (exactly what is proved, disproved or found)
Assumptions and limitations:
Write-up: (Markdown with LaTeX maths, or TeX)
Models used: (select every model, or None for people-only work)
Thinking level / time: (the separate required dropdown; actual setting, mixed, time budget, unknown or not applicable)
Per-model versions, thinking and roles: (one line per model: name | version: exact version or unknown | thinking: actual level or unknown | time: actual budget/duration or unknown | role: work performed)
Model eligibility and verification evidence: (where needed, identify the demonstrated architecture or checking model, its settings, checked scope and supporting evidence)
Human contributors and roles:
References: (only ones you have checked)