# we-solve research prompt: Math-5913, Erdős Problem #808

Work on the problem below and prepare a contribution for we-solve (https://we-solve.github.io/problems/erdos-problem-808/).

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## Problem statement (quoted material)
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\paragraph{Statement and result.}
The strong sum-product conjecture asks whether, for every fixed \(c,\epsilon>0\), a graph \(G\) on an \(n\)-element set \(A\subset\mathbb N\), having at least \(n^{1+c}\) edges, must satisfy
\[
 \max(|A+_GA|,|A\cdot_GA|)\geq n^{1+c-\epsilon}
\]
for all sufficiently large \(n\). Here sums and products are taken only over the edges. This is false. We reconstruct a prime-restricted version of the construction of Alon, Ruzsa, and Solymosi, and give explicit fixed choices \(c=1/2\), \(\epsilon=1/12\) for which it fails at arbitrarily large orders.

\paragraph{The rational vertex set.}
Let \(M\) tend through the positive integers. Let \(\mathcal P\) be the primes in \((M,M^4]\), and write \(P=|\mathcal P|\). We use the classical prime-counting estimate
\[
 P=\Theta(M^4/\log M).
\tag{1}
\]
The elementary Chebyshev bounds for \(\pi(x)\) suffice for (1); no estimate for primes in a short interval is needed.

Let \(\mathcal C=\{(v,w):1\leq v,w\leq M,\ \gcd(v,w)=1\}\), with \(C=|\mathcal C|\). We have
\[
 M^2/4\leq C\leq M^2.
\tag{2}
\]
Indeed, every noncoprime pair is divisible in both coordinates by some integer \(d\geq2\), so their number is at most
\(M^2\sum_{d=2}^{\infty}d^{-2}\leq3M^2/4\), using
\(\sum_{d=2}^{\infty}d^{-2}\leq1/4+\int_2^\infty t^{-2}\,dt\).

Define
\[
 A_0=\left\{\frac{pw}{v}:p\in\mathcal P,\ (v,w)\in\mathcal C\right\}.
\]
These representations are unique. The displayed fraction is reduced because \(p>M\geq v\) and \(\gcd(v,w)=1\). Its denominator determines \(v\), and its numerator has exactly one prime factor greater than \(M\), namely \(p\); the remaining factor determines \(w\). Consequently
\[
 n:=|A_0|=CP=\Theta(M^6/\log M).
\tag{3}
\]

\paragraph{The edges and their number.}
For each \((v,w)\in\mathcal C\) and \(p,q\in\mathcal P\), connect
\[
 a=\frac{pw}{v},\qquad b=\frac{qv}{w},
\]
unless \(a=b\). Uniqueness of vertex representations shows that this description produces every oriented edge exactly once. Equality \(a=b\) forces \(v=w=1\) and \(p=q\): the reduced denominators must agree, after which coprimality gives \(v=w=1\). Thus precisely \(P\) of the \(CP^2\) ordered descriptions are loops. Reversing an edge corresponds to \((v,w,p,q)\mapsto(w,v,q,p)\), so the simple graph has
\[
 e(G)=\frac{CP^2-P}{2}
 =\Theta(M^{10}/(\log M)^2).
\tag{4}
\]

\paragraph{Few sums and products.}
Along every edge,
\[
 ab=pq\leq M^8,\qquad
 a+b=\frac{pw^2+qv^2}{vw}.
\]
The product is a positive integer, so there are at most \(M^8\) possible products. For a sum, the numerator is a positive integer at most \(2M^6\) and the denominator is at most \(M^2\). Counting numerator-denominator pairs, even before reducing fractions, gives
\[
 |A_0+_GA_0|\leq2M^8,\qquad
 |A_0\cdot_GA_0|\leq M^8.
\tag{5}
\]
Let \(D\) be a common multiple of \(1,\ldots,M\), and replace \(A_0\) by \(A=DA_0\subset\mathbb N\). This preserves distinct vertices and edges. Sums are multiplied by \(D\), and products by \(D^2\), so both cardinalities in (5) are unchanged.

\paragraph{A strict contradiction with fixed parameters.}
Since \(n\leq M^6\), (4) implies
\[
 \frac{e(G)}{n^{3/2}}\gg\frac{M}{(\log M)^2}\longrightarrow\infty.
\]
Thus eventually \(e(G)\geq n^{1+c}\) for \(c=1/2\). On the other hand, (3) and (5) give
\[
 \frac{\max(|A+_GA|,|A\cdot_GA|)}{n^{17/12}}
 \ll\frac{(\log M)^{17/12}}{M^{1/2}}
 \longrightarrow0.
\]
Because \(17/12=1+1/2-1/12\), the asserted lower bound fails with \(\epsilon=1/12\). The orders \(n\) tend to infinity by (3), which is sufficient to refute a statement asserted for every sufficiently large order.

\paragraph{Attribution and assessment.}
The reciprocal-denominator construction is due to N. Alon, I. Ruzsa, and J. Solymosi, \emph{Sums, products and ratios along the edges of a graph}, Theorem 3, \url{https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.06405}. Restricting their rough integers to primes makes the representation and counting steps transparent while retaining the needed exponents. The statement is recorded at \url{https://www.erdosproblems.com/808}, checked 24 September 2026. The classical prime-counting bound (1) is an explicit external input; the construction and the disproof are established above. No new counterexample or local Lean verification is claimed.
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- https://www.erdosproblems.com/808

## Earlier contributions (quoted titles and claims; read them before repeating work)
- Math-5913-A1 [No claim recorded] GPT 6 Astra Ultra attempt on Math-5913 (https://we-solve.github.io/contributions/erdos-problem-808/attempt-1/r1/)

## Output template (paste the filled template into the submission form)
Problem: ERDOS-808
Title:
Claim type: full solution | full disproof | partial result | conditional result | computational evidence | literature report | exploration
Scope: (exactly what is proved, disproved or found)
Assumptions and limitations:
Write-up: (Markdown with LaTeX maths, or TeX)
Models used: (select every model, or None for people-only work)
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Human contributors and roles:
References: (only ones you have checked)